[AGP Turbo]

Originally Posted by BravoMyles

So what's your thought on a Procharger build? Think it has more potential even in the long run? What about in DD applications?

I'd wait for East Coast Superchargers centri kit or our turbo kit. These Camaro's are going to prove out to be supercars in the performance arena in the next year. Mark my words. In some ways better than a Z06.

[BravoMyles]

Originally Posted by AGP Turbo

I'd wait for East Coast Superchargers centri kit or our turbo kit. These Camaro's are going to prove out to be supercars in the performance arena in the next year. Mark my words. In some ways better than a Z06.

Any particular reason for ECS over PC? And what about the price on a turbo kit? Cost is a big factor as well, and turbo kits for 5th gen's ran real expensive unless my memory is foggy (which lets face it, that's a possibility lol).

[AGP Turbo]

Originally Posted by BravoMyles

Any particular reason for ECS over PC? And what about the price on a turbo kit? Cost is a big factor as well, and turbo kits for 5th gen's ran real expensive unless my memory is foggy (which lets face it, that's a possibility lol).

ECS always does things a lot smarter that all the other supercharger companies. Usually a small pulley already on the blower to give you faster boost response (for a centri) but then restrictor plate to limit top end power to what you can actually handle. This is an infinitely smarter way of doing things than controlling it all by pulley size. They also usually have a better belt drive system and tensioner.

A good turbo kit is always going to have a higher initial cost but that's because it usually makes way more power out of the box already includes everything you need to make up to 1000whp. Where as a blower kit only comes with the parts you need to make 520whp and then you have to spend thousands more to continue to upgrade. Dollar per HP to get to 700+whp I bet our Camaro6 kit will cost less than a supercharger. And with turbos not taking 60-80whp to run like a supercharger. We'll get 750whp with the same stress on the engine as a supercharger at 670whp.

[BravoMyles]

How will your turbo kits be priced out? Install would probably be needed as well. I'd do the SC myself, but turbo is a different ballgame. Do you do canned tunes like a lot of SC companies?

[Snowblind]

It's nice to click on a thread where their is a discussion rather than a "I read this somewhere / a guy told me this, so you are wrong" nonsense chatter, it's refreshing.

Originally Posted by ender2664

Anyone have links to someone I can buy a LT4 kits? Or is ADM the only option?

ADM is currently the only vendor I know to offer a package/install, however, he does not sell the DIY. His website sells all the parts you need to do it yourself except the blower unit, I have seen them on EBay occasionally for somewhere around $3k (also includes heat exchanger and pump).The ADM parts are roughly $1,500ish (tuning not included). It is not my intention to take business away from Andy, just answering the OP's question.

[LibertyHill]

Originally Posted by BlackinBlack

As someone daily driving a car with a LT4 I have to say I have never felt a car this strong down low. My 670+ HP Mustang with a Centrifugal pulled crazy up high but was lazy down low. My ZL1 was strong down low but you could still feel the motor come "into the boost". High boost turbo cars were the worse. The LT4 feels like a large NA motor and that was the point.

Exactly what I'm after.

[JANNETTYRACING]

It is true the smaller the blower the faster the boost response because your already spinning it faster that you would a larger blower to end up at the same 8 psi per say

But at the same token the smaller blowers will limit growth.

The fact is enough is never enough in this hobby so we have to be smart and think ahead.

Better to pick a large supercharger and grow into it, than pick a small one and have to change it out later when you hit the limit.

Ted.

[MIAMI2SSRS]

Originally Posted by AGP Turbo

I'd wait for East Coast Superchargers centri kit or our turbo kit. These Camaro's are going to prove out to be supercars in the performance arena in the next year. Mark my words. In some ways better than a Z06.

Would you mind to elaborate on this a little more? You statement caught my attention!!

Thanks.

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by shrubby

So no issues with the 2.3 Maggie since install? That's encouraging. In another thread, I mentioned that I was going with the Maggie and headers and someone was telling me I'd have nothing but issues. In general. The implication was buy yourself a ZL1 instead and save yourself the hassle.

I seriously considered the LT4 conversion but I have no way to do it myself where I am at, and the only person I could find doing these was ADM. Unfortunately it would have cost me another 1400 to ship my car there and back and then what happens when I need something. Maggie seemed the next best choice based on reliability.

Zero issues. Magnuson makes a really nice setup. I'm sure the others are great as well, Magnuson is just the one I have the most experience with. Years after I bought mine they upgraded idler pulleys and sent me a set with one phone call no questions asked.

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by AGP Turbo

ECS always does things a lot smarter that all the other supercharger companies. Usually a small pulley already on the blower to give you faster boost response (for a centri) but then restrictor plate to limit top end power to what you can actually handle. This is an infinitely smarter way of doing things than controlling it all by pulley size. They also usually have a better belt drive system and tensioner.

A good turbo kit is always going to have a higher initial cost but that's because it usually makes way more power out of the box already includes everything you need to make up to 1000whp. Where as a blower kit only comes with the parts you need to make 520whp and then you have to spend thousands more to continue to upgrade. Dollar per HP to get to 700+whp I bet our Camaro6 kit will cost less than a supercharger. And with turbos not taking 60-80whp to run like a supercharger. We'll get 750whp with the same stress on the engine as a supercharger at 670whp.

You're not affiliated with AGP Performance are you by chance? Jason over there did some trick TT kits for the Challenger.

I'd like to try something new at some point and a top mount TT kit would be the ticket.

[AGP Turbo]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

You're not affiliated with AGP Performance are you by chance? Jason over there did some trick TT kits for the Challenger.

I'd like to try something new at some point and a top mount TT kit would be the ticket.

No. Different companies. We don't like top mounts in cars with little under hood room like the camaro. They are always a huge pile of melted everything problems. We've perfected placing the turbos right off the engine where the stock catalytic converters go. Keeps the hot parts where GM intended hot parts to go, and keeps all your other underhood components from premature failure. We have now all but eliminated turbo lag utilizing the Borg Warner EFR turbos, in a system that can support 1000hp.

[AGP Turbo]

Originally Posted by MIAMI2SSRS

Would you mind to elaborate on this a little more? You statement caught my attention!!

Thanks.

The Camaro6 is much closer in weight and agility to the Z06 than ever before. The advantage comes in the boxy shape with all the real estate up front for superior power adders and cooling. For years it's been easier to build a Camaro and keep it cool at much higher powers than a Corvette. By several hundred HP. Now the Camaro is a much better car to start with in all the other ways that we couldn't modify before. A GTR slayer than can be hot lapped.

[LibertyHill]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

It is true the smaller the blower the faster the boost response because your already spinning it faster that you would a larger blower to end up at the same 8 psi per say

But at the same token the smaller blowers will limit growth.

The fact is enough is never enough in this hobby so we have to be smart and think ahead.

Better to pick a large supercharger and grow into it, than pick a small one and have to change it out later when you hit the limit.

Ted.

Good points, and an even bigger one would be if your shop was 3 hours away and ADM was across the country. I don't foresee a need to allow for growth on my budget. The next step is such a ma$or one for this motor.

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by AGP Turbo

No. Different companies. We don't like top mounts in cars with little under hood room like the camaro. They are always a huge pile of melted everything problems. We've perfected placing the turbos right off the engine where the stock catalytic converters go. Keeps the hot parts where GM intended hot parts to go, and keeps all your other underhood components from premature failure. We have now all but eliminated turbo lag utilizing the Borg Warner EFR turbos, in a system that can support 1000hp.

Well the challenge for folks like me with replacing cats with turbos is passing emissions tests :(