[classicrockr]

Originally Posted by Ajrothm

Yeah I didn't buy a $45k car, to have to throw some BS up on the dash to block vents to prevent fogging.... This is about the simplest thing GM could have designed and/or corrected.

This is NOT normal, and it is NOT safe.

It's ridiculous to have to run your windshield wipers on a hot sunny day... Or turn your AC to 75* inside on a 100* day...

Granted there is nothing the dealers can do...it's a design problem, plain and simple. This is one aspect of the 6G that GM dropped the ball on. Unfortunately, it will take some deadly accidents and law suits to make them do something about it.

I agree that GM dropped the ball on this one, but any type of "Deadly accident" from it is purely preventable. Even though we may not like to, adjusting the air temp & using our wiper blades is the way to keep things from getting "deadly".

[vtirocz]

Originally Posted by classicrockr

I agree that GM dropped the ball on this one, but any type of "Deadly accident" from it is purely preventable. Even though we may not like to, adjusting the air temp & using our wiper blades is the way to keep things from getting "deadly".

Exactly!

[sub_ETCS_ret]

Originally Posted by classicrockr

Well, Senior Chief, "covering the defrost vents" sounds just plain stupid. And what did you buy to cover your vents with that cost $10? Please DO enlighten us! How does it look on the vents - does it match the interior?

I'm still Navy after 26 years....I understand your "school of thought", but having to cover & uncover the vents....just isn't an option. This is the first car I've ever had that does this & GM needs to fix it.

I'm guessing you're not a "Chief" or you would have come up with a solution. Results, not excuses!

A Chief identifies problems, comes up with a solution, fixes the problem, and then documents it for future reliefs.

An officer sees problems and tells the Chief to fix it.

You must be an officer.

Figure it out.

Originally Posted by classicrockr

I agree that GM dropped the ball on this one, but any type of "Deadly accident" from it is purely preventable. Even though we may not like to, adjusting the air temp & using our wiper blades is the way to keep things from getting "deadly".

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[bryguycbr]

Originally Posted by Ajrothm

Yeah I didn't buy a $45k car, to have to throw some BS up on the dash to block vents to prevent fogging.... This is about the simplest thing GM could have designed and/or corrected.

This is NOT normal, and it is NOT safe.

It's ridiculous to have to run your windshield wipers on a hot sunny day... Or turn your AC to 75* inside on a 100* day...

Granted there is nothing the dealers can do...it's a design problem, plain and simple. This is one aspect of the 6G that GM dropped the ball on. Unfortunately, it will take some deadly accidents and law suits to make them do something about it.

GM Design Engineers, GM Customer Service

[raptor5244]

Give it another year or so when there are another 50k new Camaros on the road. Some percentage of those will drive in hot humid conditions GM will get enough complaints regarding this issue to actually do something about it. I reported it on my GM quality survey.

Unfortunately, I think the fix will require a better sealing HVAC diverter or something added at the defrost vent in order to fix it. For existing owners this would require ripping the whole dash apart...

[bryguycbr]

Originally Posted by raptor5244

Give it another year or so when there are another 50k new Camaros on the road. Some percentage of those will drive in hot humid conditions GM will get enough complaints regarding this issue to actually do something about it. I reported it on my GM quality survey.

Unfortunately, I think the fix will require a better sealing HVAC diverter or something added at the defrost vent in order to fix it. For existing owners this would require ripping the whole dash apart...

Exactly! For all we know, GM may be looking at this, and having their own internal battles, pointing fingers at who made this mistake.

[sub_ETCS_ret]

I just want to be clear one last time. I agree that this is a problem. What I'm trying to point out is that you should take care of yourself. GM isn't going to fix this problem until they have numbers to support.

Here is an analogy or 2:

If you see that your house is on fire are you going to wait for the neighbor to call the fire department or are you going to call them yourself?

What some of you guys are saying is like crossing the street when the little cross walk light says go and then halfway across it says stop. Are you going to stop I the middle of the road and get hit by a car, no!

I have seen multiple temporary solutions, notice that I said temporary, that will work until GM fixes it and I'm sure they will fix it.

Take action for your own safety.

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[SuperSound]

I've heard social media (i.e. Twitter, Facebook) are much more likely to catch attention and accomplish an acknowledgment from GM. Perhaps someone should start a Twitter feed and everyone here who has the issue post to it. My car definitely does it but also not to the point others apparently have. But regardless if the top vent is not closing correctly, it's a defect. And GM needs to acknowledge it, period.

[classicrockr]

Originally Posted by sub_ETCS_ret

I'm guessing you're not a "Chief" or you would have come up with a solution. Results, not excuses!

A Chief identifies problems, comes up with a solution, fixes the problem, and then documents it for future reliefs.

An officer sees problems and tells the Chief to fix it.

You must be an officer.

Figure it out.





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Yes I am an Officer, and damn proud of it. NEW Officers may need an E7 to handle everything, but I'm a different breed. At 14 years into my enlistment I decided to commission because I didn't want any part of the E7-E9 community. They (along with a lot of the E6's) were too corrupt & used their junior enlisted people to try & make themselves look better. They didn't focus on helping their people develop professionally.

I hold all E7-E9's accountable for their people's development and frequently hold meetings with junior enlisted to assess morale, then meet with the E7-E9's and give them direction as to how I think they are performing & what I want to see them do to improve themselves, and their departments in the process.

The solution that I implemented (as indicated in a previous post) is to not lower the temp so much in the mornings & use my wipers when the windshield fogs up. But I still expect GM to address the issue.

[sub_ETCS_ret]

Originally Posted by classicrockr

Yes I am an Officer, and damn proud of it. At 14 years into my enlistment I decided to start college because I didn't want any part of the E7-E9 community. They (along with a lot of the E6's) were too corrupt & used their junior enlisted people to try & make themselves look better. They didn't focus on helping their people develop professionally. And the last 2 duty stations, most of the E7-E9's I've seen are lazy & have little knowledge of their specialties.

I hold all E7-E9's accountable for their people's development and frequently hold meetings with junior enlisted to assess morale, then meet with the E7-E9's and give them direction as to how I think they are performing & what I want to see them do to improve themselves, and their departments in the process.

The solution that I implemented (as indicated in a previous post) is to not lower the temp so much in the mornings & use my wipers when the windshield fogs up. But I still expect GM to address the issue.

This will be the last thing I say about this as it is seriously off topic. The best officers I ever worked with, and have since become Admirals, respected their Chief community. Addressing the Chief community as E7-E9 does not show respect for that community and I am willing to bet that your Chiefs don't respect you. I know that if you acted like that in my Navy I would have let you fail. Instead of being a D-bag how about acting like a real officer. SIR!

Isn't if funny how I figured out you were an officer by how you acted. Yep, typical quitter.

Based on the above statements, good luck getting any higher than O-4.

Sorry folks. I apologize for this.

[Bradl1982]

Originally Posted by sub_ETCS_ret

This will be the last thing I say about this as it is seriously off topic. The best officers I ever worked with, and have since become Admirals, respected their Chief community. Addressing the Chief community as E7-E9 does not show respect for that community and I am willing to bet that your Chiefs don't respect you. I know that if you acted like that in my Navy I would have let you fail. Instead of being a D-bag how about acting like a real officer. SIR!

Isn't if funny how I figured out you were an officer by how you acted. Yep, typical quitter.

Based on the above statements, good luck getting any higher than O-4.

Sorry folks. I apologize for this.

I agree with the Chief.......

We need a poll!

[Whis]

I don't have this issue and blast the hell out of this thing in 95 degree weather... wondering why it isn't happening to me? Lack of humidity outside?

[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by Whis

I don't have this issue and blast the hell out of this thing in 95 degree weather... wondering why it isn't happening to me? Lack of humidity outside?

Yes, you need humidity to really cause this.

[Whis]

god I feel for you guys then. Living in southern AL for 20 years this would have made me return the car. What is the deal here I wonder, and will GM do anything about it for existing customers