[2016SS]

Though I only did a short test drive i didn't find it bad. I tow a 6 by 10 trailer daily so I'm a mirror driver 90 % of the time.
Definitely a different feeling them my previous cars smaller windows high dash line and door sills.

One spot I found if I was to look over to the passenger side to lane change there is a blind spot! But with the 2ss lane assist should take care of that with some adjusted mirrors.

My SS/TC had a huge factory wing in the way of the rear window view and my 350z isn't perfect either very sloped window. So the rear window is no different then what I have been driving.

It's a sports car thing I actually like gives it a different experience. I found the cabin almost felt smaller then my 2 seater coupe which I also like I'm only 5,8 but I'm a solid 240 so I'm not small by any means!

[FlightSoftware]

It is, but it's... unsettling.. the first few times it actually happens. I turn it on 'cause I paid for it, so why not. Then found that the act of tilting down causes (well, caused) me to stop backing up, because it looks like there's a lot of motion very close.

This car does a lot of stuff. Lots of behaviors I'm not trained up on yet. Feels like I maybe should have a checkout with a certified instructor.

[merlin803]

Originally Posted by FlightSoftware

It is, but it's... unsettling.. the first few times it actually happens. I turn it on 'cause I paid for it, so why not. Then found that the act of tilting down causes (well, caused) me to stop backing up, because it looks like there's a lot of motion very close.

This car does a lot of stuff. Lots of behaviors I'm not trained up on yet. Feels like I maybe should have a checkout with a certified instructor.

Yeah, I haven't decided if I want to keep the feature on, I rarely if ever have to park next to a curb and most of my driving in reverse is just backing out of my driveway daily.

Started with both mirrors set to tilt and then just went with the passenger side and I think I will probably turn that one off too so I am not just looking at the ground when backing out of the driveway. Not a big deal, just a preference.

[C5Txfan]

Originally Posted by Stex

Usual stuff of one cannot drive if having an issue. I just do not like the bunker (slot) view out the side windows.

How it was:

https://www.mecum.com/lot-detail/KA0...gn=KA0316-S124

Very nice car ! I had a '68 SS 396 (375 HP) back in the olden days .. would pass most everything except a gas station ! Wish I still had it ...

[Modshack]

Having had both a C7 and an Audi TT (both have limited sight lines from the cockpit) I feel right at home in the Camaro. Much ado about nothing IMO and nothing you can't easily adjust to. I do find the tilt mirror feature helpful when backing, and added some blindspot mirrors to the outside edge of the Mirrors. Helpful for judging curb distance when parking..

[1badrwd]

Originally Posted by merlin803

I find looking up through my sunroof helpful when I am first in line at a light, lol.

After having 3 5th Gens, I have no issues but I have to say the blind side indicators are more helpful than I would have guessed.

Good call on looking through the sunroof and yes, i love having the side indicators!

[Camaro596]

I currently own a GTI and the first time I drove a Gen 6 I did feel like I was in a pill box, but after doing about a half dozen test rides I don't even notice it.

Ironically, my GTI now kind of feels like a milk crate when I get back in it, lol!

[Stex]

From the unbiased : (short version: visibility poor at best but worth it due to the drive train)

Stylists injected steroids into the bodywork and, almost unbelievably, knocked the roof about an inch lower to make the greenhouse even shorter. The stocky Power Wheels proportions suggest that a full-grown human would have to poke his or her head through the sunroof to drive this thing.


A human does fit inside, although you should probably pass on the $900 sunroof to seize precious millimeters of headroom. The Chevy’s cabin is far more crowded than the Mustang’s, and the form-over-function exterior creates some ergonomic woes inside. Hang an arm on the windowsill and your elbow rises to ear level. The high trunklid and low roofline squeeze the view out the back into a sliver. Wide B-pillars and the rising beltline render the rear quarter-windows useless. When the feds make blind-spot monitoring mandatory in the coming years, you’ll have this car to thank.


Bottom right: Gun-slit side windows are too small for big guns.


There’s more natural light entering Guantanamo’s solitary cells than the Camaro’s cabin, and yet designers struggled to shield the navigation screen from glare. Their inelegant solution tilts the screen toward the floor, an awkward angle that also reflects the faux-metal bezel surrounding the shifter. The panel gaps of the instrument-cluster hood—directly in the driver’s line of sight—should make Bob Lutz weep. And when the interior-design team ran out of room up front, they simply used the real estate in the rear. The map pockets in the doors and the wireless phone-charging pad are effectively in the back seat.


Despite the voodoo ergonomics, the new Camaro’s interior is still a massive improvement over the outgoing car’s. The materials belong in an actual motor vehicle with a considerable price, as opposed to a toddler’s toy, and the switchgear is both attractive and easy to use. A digital screen in the binnacle between the analog gauges is packed with useful information, and the nav-screen graphics are crisp. Honestly, though, this cabin could be trimmed in *cellophane and crayon markings and we’d still gush over the way the car drives.


http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...maro-ss-page-3

[RenegadeXR]

I never understood why people claim "I never have an issue" with rear visibility on the Camaro. There's a difference between "I never have an issue" and "I can cope with it." Unless you have x-ray vision, there's no escaping the limited line-of-sight, and sideview and rearview mirrors can only help so much.

One thing worth noting though: The NHSTA just approved GM to use digital camera-based rear view mirrors in their cars if they so desire. These have a little toggle near the bottom that can switch between a conventional reflective mirror and the camera. I saw this on some videos of the press driving the new Bolt if you want to check it out.

http://jalopnik.com/the-nhtsa-just-a...era-1760692513

http://youtu.be/AHycHt2zicg?t=45

I almost guarantee that is going to end up in a future model year of Camaro. It would solve all the visibility issues at once with a very wide field of view that covers all the blind spots.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by RenegadeXR

I never understood why people claim they "I never have an issue" with rear visibility on the Camaro. There's a difference between "I never have an issue" and "I can cope with it." Unless you have x-ray vision, there's no escaping the limited line-of-sight, and sideview and rearview mirrors can only help so much.

I've just never had an issue...As with any vehicle, it took some time to learn the size, corners, and behavior of the car. Since then, I've put it in more tight-spaces than I can remember, backed up into garages that it "wouldn't fit", and made it through parking lots that appeared unnavigable...I'm not better than anyone else, I just know it's possible.

There's no denying that there's less glass than other cars. And that the spaces to see out of the car (windows), are vertically restricted...but driving doesn't require very much vertical visibility at all. If you compare the car to any other vehicle, you'll find that:

-- Looking to the left is better than nearly all sedans because there's no b-pillar in your face.

-- While looking to the right is compromised by the tiny rear-quarter window; a properly adjusted OSRV mirror in conjunction with the ISRV mirror eliminates the blind spot.

-- Looking out the front is no different than any other car, with the exception of seeing traffic lights at an intersection, and knowing where the corners of the car are. So...stop a little further back.

-- Seeing behind you is probably the toughest angle. But again....properly adjusted mirrors eliminate blind spots. If that's not the case, then they aren't "properly adjusted".

(Seeing out the back of a Z/28 with that big spoiler is worse than the 6th gen...install the wicker-bill....forget it.)

This is not a Malibu or a camry. So there are techniques necessary to enhance sight out of this car that aren't necessary on the boring ones. It's part of the gig: It doesn't mean visibility is bad. It just means the car is shaped different!

BAD visibility...is any HD truck ever. Big passenger vans, cargo vans, flatbeds, semi-trucks, or even light-duty trucks with a trailer. Bad visibility...are some Ferraris, Lamborghinis and other euro supercars with an incredibly low-profile. But people don't complain about those vehicles like there's something wrong with them...they just accept it is what it is, and adapt their driving style.

Now the difference with the Camaro, is that it's a $25,000 car. The population looking at a car in that price range is used to boring cars and sedans with more glass than a terrarium. So most of them probably expect more of the same, and are surprised when they see a car like the Camaro (there are a few others out there) using dramatic styling, and supercar proportions.

I'm sorry if I sound harsh - I really do apologize...but I'm not exaggerating these things, and neither are the people on the first three pages of this thread. Just getting kind of tired of reading things that insinuate we're making it up.

[cellsafemode]

Originally Posted by RenegadeXR

I never understood why people claim "I never have an issue" with rear visibility on the Camaro. There's a difference between "I never have an issue" and "I can cope with it." Unless you have x-ray vision, there's no escaping the limited line-of-sight, and sideview and rearview mirrors can only help so much.

One thing worth noting though: The NHSTA just approved GM to use digital camera-based rear view mirrors in their cars if they so desire. These have a little toggle near the bottom that can switch between a conventional reflective mirror and the camera. I saw this on some videos of the press driving the new Bolt if you want to check it out.

I almost guarantee that is going to end up in a future model year of Camaro. It would solve all the visibility issues at once with a very wide field of view that covers all the blind spots.

Rear window visibilty is a want, not a need (and specifically not legally required), and as such it will vary person to person. That shouldn't be a surprise.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

I've just never had an issue...As with any vehicle, it took some time to learn the size, corners, and behavior of the car. Since then, I've put it in more tight-spaces than I can remember, backed up into garages that it "wouldn't fit", and made it through parking lots that appeared unnavigable...I'm not better than anyone else, I just know it's possible.

There's no denying that there's less glass than other cars. And that the spaces to see out of the car (windows), are vertically restricted...but driving doesn't require very much vertical visibility at all. If you compare the car to any other vehicle, you'll find that:

-- Looking to the left is better than nearly all sedans because there's no b-pillar in your face.

-- While looking to the right is compromised by the tiny rear-quarter window; a properly adjusted OSRV mirror in conjunction with the ISRV mirror eliminates the blind spot.

-- Looking out the front is no different than any other car, with the exception of seeing traffic lights at an intersection, and knowing where the corners of the car are. So...stop a little further back.

-- Seeing behind you is probably the toughest angle. But again....properly adjusted mirrors eliminate blind spots. If that's not the case, then they aren't "properly adjusted".

(Seeing out the back of a Z/28 with that big spoiler is worse than the 6th gen...install the wicker-bill....forget it.)

This is not a Malibu or a camry. So there are techniques necessary to enhance sight out of this car that aren't necessary on the boring ones. It's part of the gig: It doesn't mean visibility is bad. It just means the car is shaped different!

BAD visibility...is any HD truck ever. Big passenger vans, cargo vans, flatbeds, semi-trucks, or even light-duty trucks with a trailer. Bad visibility...are some Ferraris, Lamborghinis and other euro supercars with an incredibly low-profile. But people don't complain about those vehicles like there's something wrong with them...they just accept it is what it is, and adapt their driving style.

Now the difference with the Camaro, is that it's a $25,000 car. The population looking at a car in that price range is used to boring cars and sedans with more glass than a terrarium. So most of them probably expect more of the same, and are surprised when they see a car like the Camaro (there are a few others out there) using dramatic styling, and supercar proportions.

I'm sorry if I sound harsh - I really do apologize...but I'm not exaggerating these things, and neither are the people on the first three pages of this thread. Just getting kind of tired of reading things that insinuate we're making it up.

You continue to make the poor visibility argument while you think you are defending it.

Mirrors and cameras (except in the snow and the rain.......and when they get dirty) are all "indirect vision".

Simply this car could have had the performance, the looks and improved visibility if only the had wanted to. A choice.....a simple decision.

But don't think these things are not important. I do not have a Gen6 today because the trunk is too small and visibility is poor and worse than a Gen5...............and I wrote a thesis on developing SAE tools for engineering vehicles for visibility and seating. So I know how it got to be the way it is.

[cellsafemode]

Anyone who thinks the gen6's trunk space is small has never had a camaro in the past 30+ years (hint, the 5th gen basically introduced the camaro trunk). Which simply makes me think your opinions, while possibly being reflected by the general public, aren't the opinions reflected by someone who has experience driving camaros - or maybe some kind of self hating camaro driver.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Number 3

You continue to make the poor visibility argument while you think you are defending it.

Mirrors and cameras (except in the snow and the rain.......and when they get dirty) are all "indirect vision".

Simply this car could have had the performance, the looks and improved visibility if only the had wanted to. A choice.....a simple decision.

But don't think these things are not important. I do not have a Gen6 today because the trunk is too small and visibility is poor and worse than a Gen5...............and I wrote a thesis on developing SAE tools for engineering vehicles for visibility and seating. So I know how it got to be the way it is.

I know your credentials. And I respect them, more than comes across in my replies to you, I think. For that, I apologize.

While I can't deny the car has compromised glass area, and therefore perceived visibility...I just disagree that this trade-off for design is a bad thing worth reversing.