[6spdhyperblue]

Originally Posted by SUMMIT WHITE SS

MRC was added to the ZL1 also to help cope with the weight gain...remember, the more track focused (and lighter) Z28 did not have MRC.

nor did it have 1LE shocks. if the DSSV has come down in price then it should be on the 1LE. otherwise the MRC will perform better.

crankaholic, dont bother arguing.

[DrkPhx]

I'm surprised at the detractors comments here. Even though all of the current MRC equipped GM vehicles share the same 3rd generation version, they are calibrated completely independent of each other and even within the same vehicle platform such as the C7 which has 3 different versions; base/Z51, Z06 and the Z07 equipped Z06. There is even a dealer recalibration option for the Z07 specifically for "rough" track use. That should tell you it's not a cookie cutter application.

I would also suggest viewing the GM videos that show the GM engineers calibrating the ZL1 on the track to fine tune and tweak the settings. It's really cool and gives a nice look at how many hours they spent on it.

Specific to the 1LE, I do think they will make it an actual model and not just an option this time around. I have to believe MRC, PDR, Recaros (or a Comp Seat) and the A8 will be options. After all GM is in the business of selling cars for a profit.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by DrkPhx

Specific to the 1LE, I do think they will make it an actual model and not just an option this time around.

Not sure if that will happen, but I actually would like that to be the case...wouldn't be hard to GM to do either...

LT
SS
1LE
Zxx

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Nicul15

the 911 GT3 RS has mag ride, but hey what does porsche know.


again, MRC doesn't belong on a 1LE even as an option, according to some here

From Porsche's website on the GT3:

"At the press of a button, you can select between two different modes. ‘Normal’ mode is designed for sporty driving on public roads and on wet racetracks. ‘Sport’ mode is specially tuned for maximum lateral acceleration and offers the best possible traction on the track."

Obviously Porsche wants the best of both worlds, which is what almost everyone has been saying. You are just harping on the opinion it should not be an option by maybe 2 or 3 people in this thread. I agree with you it should be an option given there's no more extra platform costs now since the SS has it optional. But like others have said, racing classes the SS will be in ban MRC. And that plus those going hard core track setups are good enough reasons to not make it standard.

[Eric SS]

Originally Posted by SUMMIT WHITE SS

Not sure if that will happen, but I actually would like that to be the case...wouldn't be hard to GM to do either...

LT
SS
1LE
Zxx

Question, does the SS have a specific RPO code?

[Waiting46]

Scenarios:
1LE gets MRC standard
- breaks too many racing class rules (a fact that has been stated before) and people wont buy it
- Burns through 30-50% of the 1LE "budget" as MRC is already a $1500 factory option
- purists boo that its "not hardcore enough" -- GM loses out on a small subset of sales

1LE does NOT get MRC standard
- Everymen boo as the car isn't "compliant enough" and they either suck it up or buy an SS with MRC

1LE gets MRC as an option
- People on forums like this are annoyed that they sacrificed some of the 1LE "spirit"
- GM has to spend money ensuring that any suspension tweaks work for MRC -- overall 1LE price marginally higher OR "2LE" (with MRC option) with slightly higher price than MRC + 1LE

[aa406079]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

Consider that the Mag Ride option is already there. Depending on *how* different Chevy performance chooses to go with 1LE suspension tuning, the Mag Ride option might still be available...because after all, every 1LE starts life as an SS. So why not?

However, the last generation 1LE did not change the car's ride-height, BUT...if you look real closely at spy pictures and videos, it appears that the car is lower to the ground than a stock SS. This could be my eyes playing wishful tricks on me...though, if that's the case, Mag Ride will almost certainly not be an available option when "1LE" is equipped.

If this is the case, folks who must desperately have MagRide will almost certainly be able to get an SS equipped with the magic shocks, and modify it's base suspension components, wheels, and brakes, etc to get closer to a 1LE's level of performance.

Food for thought...You really can't loose...

considering the price of the new forged wheels alone, it would probably be cheaper ( though more of a pain in the ass) to retrofit MRC

This would require some plumbing work and hacking the ECU/Driver Control Centre to re-enable the menu and controls for the dampers.

In either case.... we will know in 8 days or so what GM has chosen and these discussions will become moot.


Really hope the Recaro's and the suede trim makes a return, I wont buy one with the stock seats. The Shelby 350GT Recaros are amazing but good luck buying them in aftermarket for less than an arm and a leg.

[crankaholic]

Originally Posted by SUMMIT WHITE SS

Not sure if that will happen, but I actually would like that to be the case...wouldn't be hard to GM to do either...

LT
SS
1LE
Zxx

GM don't have an engine for a proper Z/28... I see the 1LE taking it's place as the most hardcore N/A track version of the Camaro. That would make sense actually - a base 1LE without all the adjustable doodads that meets all spec racing requirements - and a tech package that will add MRC, NPP, etc... for those that want a 50/50 street/track car

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by crankaholic

GM don't have an engine for a proper Z/28... I see the 1LE taking it's place as the most hardcore N/A track version of the Camaro. That would make sense actually - a base 1LE without all the adjustable doodads that meets all spec racing requirements - and a tech package that will add MRC, NPP, etc... for those that want a 50/50 street/track car

Hence why I put Zxx, that leaves it open to a ZL1 or Z28, but I too think it will be a ZL1...

[90503]

...Saw a commercial last night for GMC trucks...The thrust of the ad was about the great ride in the truck from the MRC....MRC looks like it's becoming more common perhaps....Not sure it will be marketed as a track upgrade if it's showing up in pick-up trucks for a comfy ride....just sayin'...

[Gen_Nick3.8]

It comes down to this, DSSV is the best if you want the best control its track level. MRC is great all around so you can have a stiff ride on demand with a turn of a knob.. I personally bought my 1LE for its superb handling.

I WANT DSSV!!!!

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by crankaholic

Just watched Jay Leno's video about his GT350R... and the chief engineer at Ford thinks MRC has significant benefits on the track, so does Ferrari and Porsche apparently. I still haven't heard a reasonable explanation of why a lot of you seem to think it doesn't. The only reason not to opt for it is custom tuning or a dedicated (as in no street use at all) track car where rules don't allow MRC.

Also, does anyone know if 1LE parts will be sold separately (or as a package) by GM performance? The gen5 1LE added a lot of cool upgrades; going as far as transmission and ZL1 suspension components...

1) Of course Ford will tout it. It's good! Chevy did the same thing with the ZL1. And they also put MRC in the Z06...But it is possible that they were unwilling to go so far as to sacrifice a degree of ride quality in the pursuit of track performance...The DSSV decision was part experimental, and part using the best track damper on the market...But at no point were they truly worried about the car's ride comfort on the street...because the car had one purpose...and they dedicated themselves to that purpose.

If they really went all out for track performance...truly: no compromises - I don't think they'd be using MRC.

2) They have offered the performance parts off of their variants in the past - I think they will, again.

Originally Posted by 63falcondude

Square tires wouldn't work.

...I think you're joking? Sorry if you are - I can't tell through the text.

Originally Posted by shaffe

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't almost all of the reviews praise the MRC for allowing the ZL1 to handle so well??? Or were they just praising it bc it was so much better than the GT500 set up lol

EDIT: NVM just pulled up the article all the suspension praise was on the street with the MRC, track stuff was mostly chassis

There is far more to a "suspension" than the dampers.

Originally Posted by crankaholic

They didn't have to put MRC on the R if it didn't add to track performance, especially since it's such a track oriented car (even has no rear seats). Same with other manufacturers.

I read... but all those points come down to tuning. If MRC actually responds to adjustments 1000 time per second, it's all down to software tuning... there's no reason it can't replicate how a conventional shock works. Imagine being able to adjust the shocks just by clicking around on the screen vs having to jack up the car or going under the hood/trunk.

MRC is a closed system utilizing preset and professionally-developed calibration maps. You cannot (and should not be able to) individually control the damper settings. MRC is great at everything - but it is not perfection if a person is attempting to go for ultimate track performance. It's not accurate enough in the mechanical fashion that it allows (or doesn't allow) fluid to flow. Has nothing to do with the accuracy of the software.

Originally Posted by Waiting46

Scenarios:
1LE gets MRC standard
- breaks too many racing class rules (a fact that has been stated before) and people wont buy it
- Burns through 30-50% of the 1LE "budget" as MRC is already a $1500 factory option
- purists boo that its "not hardcore enough" -- GM loses out on a small subset of sales

1LE does NOT get MRC standard
- Everymen boo as the car isn't "compliant enough" and they either suck it up or buy an SS with MRC

1LE gets MRC as an option
- People on forums like this are annoyed that they sacrificed some of the 1LE "spirit"
- GM has to spend money ensuring that any suspension tweaks work for MRC -- overall 1LE price marginally higher OR "2LE" (with MRC option) with slightly higher price than MRC + 1LE

True. Haha

Originally Posted by aa406079

considering the price of the new forged wheels alone, it would probably be cheaper (though more of a pain in the ass) to retrofit MRC

This would require some plumbing work and hacking the ECU/Driver Control Centre to re-enable the menu and controls for the dampers.

In either case.... we will know in 8 days or so what GM has chosen and these discussions will become moot.

No plumbing necessary...just the control wires to the shocks...I don't know if the MRC software lives in the ECU, or BCM, or some separate controller.

Originally Posted by aa406079

Really hope the Recaro's and the suede trim makes a return, I wont buy one with the stock seats. The Shelby 350GT Recaros are amazing but good luck buying them in aftermarket for less than an arm and a leg.

I really like the Recaro seats, too. I was slightly surprised that they did not offer them as an option from the get-go...but perhaps their reintroduction as an option will be for 2017?

Originally Posted by crankaholic

GM don't have an engine for a proper Z/28... I see the 1LE taking it's place as the most hardcore N/A track version of the Camaro. That would make sense actually - a base 1LE without all the adjustable doodads that meets all spec racing requirements - and a tech package that will add MRC, NPP, etc... for those that want a 50/50 street/track car

The 1LE will not replace the Z/28. Not capable...too expensive.

Funny you brought that up, though..."proper"...I wonder how folks reacted when they put the LT4 into the new Z06...I really don't follow Corvette forums, so I'd be interested to know if the purists were disgusted, or welcoming. Chevy will probably not produce a N/A engine like the LS7, again.....

Originally Posted by 90503

...Saw a commercial last night for GMC trucks...The thrust of the ad was about the great ride in the truck from the MRC....MRC looks like it's becoming more common perhaps....Not sure it will be marketed as a track upgrade if it's showing up in pick-up trucks for a comfy ride....just sayin'...

MRC is a brilliant system that makes suspension tuning 1000x easier for street cars and "race bred street cars" alike!

[DrkPhx]

The BCM controls the MRC and the Vette purists cried (literally) foul when GM put a SC motor in the ZO6 and were on suicide watch when they introduced a convertible.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Maybe a visual will help explain it to some?



I totally understand and agree with those who feel MRC should not be standard equipment on the 1LE package...primarily because of SCCA regs and the general "illegal in competition racing" argument.

But I have a question for those "against" allowing MRC as an option...what in the 1LE's history or mission as a more track-capable SS makes MRC a "bad" thing? It's certainly an improvement over regular shim-valve damping (which is what we'd get...).

Originally Posted by DrkPhx

The BCM controls the MRC and the Vette purists cried (literally) foul when GM put a SC motor in the ZO6 and were on suicide watch when they introduced a convertible.

Oh, my......