[Waiting46]

Originally Posted by jessrayo

The only people that want to track a 1LE without magride are those that have never tracked a car with a good magride suspension or the people in class racing that are not allowed magride....because it is too good. All of the track tests of the new cars are using magride....if the car would track faster without magride the manufacturers would have a non-magride car at the track for a better lap time. It does not.

And this is why it should be an *option* so that people that want to track in a class where they don't have the option of MRC can still get an incredibly good suspension set up, but those that want to tear tracks up can get the very best

There is a demand for both, so let people have both.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Waiting46

And this is why it should be an *option* so that people that want to track in a class where they don't have the option of MRC can still get an incredibly good suspension set up, but those that want to tear tracks up can get the very best

There is a demand for both, so let people have both.

And C7s with Z51 have it as an option, not standard. So I'm betting the 1LE will follow suit.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by jessrayo

The only people that want to track a 1LE without magride are those that have never tracked a car with a good magride suspension or the people in class racing that are not allowed magride....because it is too good.

Perhaps you should ask yourself if you'd really like your shocks/struts - possibly with slightly firmer springs swapped in - to default to full soft for any reason during a hot lap. Loss of power to the damper or loss of sensor signal back to the MRC module come to mind, and we all go at least 2 off from time to time.

All of the track tests of the new cars are using magride....if the car would track faster without magride the manufacturers would have a non-magride car at the track for a better lap time. It does not.

Don't you at least suspect that everybody's MRC tuning is biased toward understeer? What if you prefer slightly "looser" handling?


Norm

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by jessrayo

The only people that want to track a 1LE without magride are those that have never tracked a car with a good magride suspension or the people in class racing that are not allowed magride....because it is too good. All of the track tests of the new cars are using magride....if the car would track faster without magride the manufacturers would have a non-magride car at the track for a better lap time. It does not.

Incorrect.

I have an SCCA license, and run SCCA and NASA events. I have been doing track events and around people in the know for over 15 years. I also know multiple Vette owners who have had MRC, and have removed it for high end coilovers and gone quicker, and it allows more adjustability. MRC is great for what it is, and works fantastically on the street, but it is not the best solution for the track. MRC is used a lot now as it can give very good on track performance, and still keep good ride quality. It is not because it is the best bar none. I mean even GMC uses it in their full size trucks...to improve the ride. If you ask ten legit racers who will run their 1LE's on the track, not posers, I would bet 9/10 or 10/10 would not check the MRC option box. It is not saying MRC isn't awesome, it is, just not the best in this case.

[Memphis43]

Originally Posted by SUMMIT WHITE SS

Incorrect.



I have an SCCA license, and run SCCA and NASA events. I have been doing track events and around people in the know for over 15 years. I also know multiple Vette owners who have had MRC, and have removed it for high end coilovers and gone quicker, and it allows more adjustability. MRC is great for what it is, and works fantastically on the street, but it is not the best solution for the track. MRC is used a lot now as it can give very good on track performance, and still keep good ride quality. It is not because it is the best bar none. I mean even GMC uses it in their full size trucks...to improve the ride. If you ask ten legit racers who will run their 1LE's on the track, not posers, I would bet 9/10 or 10/10 would not check the MRC option box. It is not saying MRC isn't awesome, it is, just not the best in this case.

Bam. Truer words can not be spoken.


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[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by jessrayo

The only people that want to track a 1LE without magride are those that have never tracked a car with a good magride suspension or the people in class racing that are not allowed magride....because it is too good. All of the track tests of the new cars are using magride....if the car would track faster without magride the manufacturers would have a non-magride car at the track for a better lap time. It does not.

There hasn't been a single timed lap in any of the reviews, so I don't know where you are getting that information.

From the testing I've seen, the MRC and hydraulic cars have pulled basically identical skid pad and figure 8 numbers.

Either GM's MRC isn't as good as you say or Camaro engineers disagree because the Z/28 did not come with MRC.

[Waiting46]

Making a dedicated 100% track focused car, I would agree that MRC probably isn't the way to go (unless air-born mode could take significant advantage of it) but for anything less than 50/50 track / street, the minor hindrances in track performance could be worth it (at least, in my opinion) to have the option for a more pliable ride on mediocre driving surfaces

[jessrayo]

Originally Posted by SUMMIT WHITE SS

Incorrect.

I have an SCCA license, and run SCCA and NASA events. I have been doing track events and around people in the know for over 15 years. I also know multiple Vette owners who have had MRC, and have removed it for high end coilovers and gone quicker, and it allows more adjustability. MRC is great for what it is, and works fantastically on the street, but it is not the best solution for the track. MRC is used a lot now as it can give very good on track performance, and still keep good ride quality. It is not because it is the best bar none. I mean even GMC uses it in their full size trucks...to improve the ride. If you ask ten legit racers who will run their 1LE's on the track, not posers, I would bet 9/10 or 10/10 would not check the MRC option box. It is not saying MRC isn't awesome, it is, just not the best in this case.

Okay, this goes back to my previous post. If you are a serious track rat and do not check the magride box, then you plan on scrapping the entire stock suspension and putting in something else anyway. You can put in camber plates and coilovers and lap faster than the magride. But you have to go high end. These systems keep getting better and the variation available from inside the car is amazing. If you plan to track the car on stock shocks, it will be faster on a stock magride system.

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Perhaps you should ask yourself if you'd really like your shocks/struts - possibly with slightly firmer springs swapped in - to default to full soft for any reason during a hot lap. Loss of power to the damper or loss of sensor signal back to the MRC module come to mind, and we all go at least 2 off from time to time.



Don't you at least suspect that everybody's MRC tuning is biased toward understeer? What if you prefer slightly "looser" handling?


Norm

I have done a lot of laps with magride cars. Since 2011, I have owned a CTS-V, a ZL1, a Z51 C7 with magride and now I have a 16 SS with magride. I have never had any magride problems at all with any of my cars.

I understand the understeer adjustablity comment but like I said in my last comment, the real track rats may opt for something else, I personally feel the magride is so good, if you check that box you can spend your upgrade dollars on power or tires or brakes and be faster.

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

There hasn't been a single timed lap in any of the reviews, so I don't know where you are getting that information.

From the testing I've seen, the MRC and hydraulic cars have pulled basically identical skid pad and figure 8 numbers.

Either GM's MRC isn't as good as you say or Camaro engineers disagree because the Z/28 did not come with MRC.

No timed laps with a new 1LE because that car doesn't exist yet. But there are timed laps with a '16 SS and pretty much if you read everything in the article, all of the cars I have seen arrive at the track with magride. Read the Mustang GT350 tests and I doubt you can find a car in the tests that doesn't have magride. Skidpad test are usually on perfect pavement. A lot of race tracks have perfect pavement. The more irregularities the pavement has the better the magride is. They are close on perfect pavement, the magride is much better with any challenge.

Read the comparison between the Z/28 and the GT350R in motortrend. Look at what they say about the suspension on the 2 cars. That is the difference between magride and conventional, and Z/28 has a very good conventional suspension.

Magride is the newest technology and Gm has done an outstanding job of continuing to improve their Magride suspensions. If my car trailered to the track or was a garage queen that only came out for trips to the track, then I might skip the mag ride and build a custom system. My SS is my daily driver and I love that there is so much adjustablility with the selection of drive mode.

[90503]

The 1LE will be something unique....

If the suspension can be tuned so that MRC and regular 1L-E "shocks" would be the same set-up, then you may see the MRC as an option...but I don't think that will be the case...

The SS suspension with an MRC option is already available, if that is your track preference. I don't see why they would duplicate it again on a 1LE...

[Bhobbs]

What comparisons have run a 6th gen SS around a track and given a lap time? I haven't seen one.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by jessrayo

If you plan to track the car on stock shocks, it will be faster on a stock magride system.

That is not true either. Maybe on a bumpy track (not really how most tracks are though) but on a smooth track, that isn't the case as many drivers can "read" a non magnetic setup better, which will yield quicker, more consistent times. Remember, MRC doesn't give you more grip. What GM "says is best" can very well be for marketing purposes, they are in a business to make money. I go by real world, first hand experience.

FYI, the ZL1 got MRC to help handle it's huge heft and weight gain, if you look the Z28 (more track oriented, and quicker track car), it didn't get MRC, and in that price point it certainly could have. Just some food for thought...

Not knocking MRC, it is an awesome system, but many on here don't fully understand it.

Originally Posted by jessrayo

But there are timed laps with a '16 SS

Where? By whom? I have yet to see one, as far as I know they do not exist from a reputable source yet...

Originally Posted by jessrayo

and pretty much if you read everything in the article, all of the cars I have seen arrive at the track with magride.

Not true, Motor Trends test car did not have MRC, and so far that car got the best skidpad and figure eight numbers...

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

What comparisons have run a 6th gen SS around a track and given a lap time? I haven't seen one.

I was thinking the same thing...none exist. Only one in the pipeline that I know of is the MT test vs the M4...

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by 90503

If the suspension can be tuned so that MRC and regular 1L-E "shocks" would be the same set-up, then you may see the MRC as an option...but I don't think that will be the case...

Considering the Z51 setup on the C7 has optional MRC, I would say they could. I'm positive we will not see MRC standard on the 1LE and like the C7 it will be an option for those who want to drive it on the street. It will also solve the only real compliant against the 5th gen 1LE, ride quality.

[jessrayo]

Originally Posted by SUMMIT WHITE SS

That is not true either. Maybe on a bumpy track (not really how most tracks are though) but on a smooth track, that isn't the case as many drivers can "read" a non magnetic setup better, which will yield quicker, more consistent times. Remember, MRC doesn't give you more grip. What GM "says is best" can very well be for marketing purposes, they are in a business to make money. I go by real world, first hand experience.

FYI, the ZL1 got MRC to help handle it's huge heft and weight gain, if you look the Z28 (more track oriented, and quicker track car), it didn't get MRC, and in that price point it certainly could have. Just some food for thought...

Not knocking MRC, it is an awesome system, but many on here don't fully understand it.


Where? By whom? I have yet to see one, as far as I know they do not exist from a reputable source yet...


Not true, Motor Trends test car did not have MRC, and so far that car got the best skidpad and figure eight numbers...

Hmm, well I just flipped through some articles and Road and track and Car and drivers comparisons both used magride equipped SS's. Raving about the superior suspension. Motor Trend COTY commented on superior magride. Even road and track did not make a lap comparison...just drove the dragons tail and said the mustang couldn't keep up. I would take my car around some tracks and post some lap times but it is already getting modded so it won't be stock...

The Motor Trend Camaro vs Mustang is the only non magride article and indeed they got a better skid pad number. I must admit that this surprises me... hard to say if this is in fact better than a magride car would have done in the same conditions but food for thought anyway.

I still think that most occasional lappers would do better with magride... and on the public roads it is no contest.