[huggercamaro21]

Originally Posted by MikeyCamaro

The ZF is not built by Chrysler and it goes into high end cars like the Jags. But not looking for a war or even a comparo as I have my own complaints about the ZF (all related to inconsistent shift points in auto mode due to adaptives). My point was that I don't see why there has to be such a delay between the paddle and the actual shift.

On the argument that "you are not shifting" an automatic, that's just semantics. If you initiate the shift, it doesn't really matter whether you do it with the press of a finger or a stab of the left foot plus moving a lever. On a fairly responsive paddle shifter, you still controlled the shift and achieved the chosen gear faster than a manual. So I don't see where semantics come into play. Of course you are not manually operating the gear mechanism on an automatic. But that's just semantics. You are still controlling the gear changes and it's not like your "request" is going to be denied or even delayed unless it would result in engine damage or lugging/stalling.

Mike

On my A8, when it track mode, shifts very fast via the paddles. It's definitely not a full second. Not even close. It's not a DCT, but the actual shift times are incredibly fast.

[laynlo15]

Wow. Just enjoy driving what you purchased and if it didn't work out you can have it tuned. I haven't seen one m6 posted that's went into the 11's, 10's or 9's when drag racing as the A8 has, autos are faster, more consistent, leave harder then the sticks and break less parts then a stick. Yes its fun to drive a stick as I've had my share of them. Just saying these cars should only have manuals is not realistic. GM and other manufactures would sell a lot less cars if they were all M6's.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by MikeyCamaro

The ZF is not built by Chrysler and it goes into high end cars like the Jags. But not looking for a war or even a comparo as I have my own complaints about the ZF (all related to inconsistent shift points in auto mode due to adaptives). My point was that I don't see why there has to be such a delay between the paddle and the actual shift.

On the argument that "you are not shifting" an automatic, that's just semantics. If you initiate the shift, it doesn't really matter whether you do it with the press of a finger or a stab of the left foot plus moving a lever. On a fairly responsive paddle shifter, you still controlled the shift and achieved the chosen gear faster than a manual. So I don't see where semantics come into play. Of course you are not manually operating the gear mechanism on an automatic. But that's just semantics. You are still controlling the gear changes and it's not like your "request" is going to be denied or even delayed unless it would result in engine damage or lugging/stalling.

Mike

The Mopar units are based off a ZF design built under license by FCA, and is probably the reason for differences in quality. Though personaly I've never seen anyone complain about failure of either. Statistically it will happen given how many cars they are in now. But I definitely don't believe they are flawed.

You can call it semantics, but the fact you can be denied a shift means you are not in control like a manual or even a automated manual or DCT. Essentially you gain the ability to short shift vs auto mode. Since auto mode already shifts at redline, no one is going to consistently beat that. Another good example is the fact you can hold the downshift paddle for I think 1 or 2 secs and perform a lowest gear allowed downshift with the 8L90. This allows you to skip multiple gears down, something you can do with the paddles without it taking much longer since you would have to flip the paddles several times. I don't know if the Mopar units can do that, my ZF definitely doesn't. But again highlights you are not in control, the computer is.

[Bosse'sBoss]

My last 3 sport cars where Standard transmission (Infiniti G35 coupe, Porsche 911 Carrera & '11 Mustang GT 5.0) and it was a joy to drive them. But after testing A Ferrari 458 & Lamborghini Gallardo with the automatic paddle shift transmission, those automatic cars are great, and did not miss the clutch or the stick while driving them, also I know that Porsche has an excellent PDK much faster than the manual and the Nissan GTR comes in automatic like many other exotic cars. The competition between the manual transmission and automatic transmission is now over, to each their own. Now I bought a '14 Camaro ZL1 for my Wife to enjoy it, and can tell you that is very fast, does not have test it yet on the track (curves), to know if that will be a benefit or not, but in straight line the ZL1 automatic is a monster, just that you don't hit the rev limiter.

[GMapologists]

Originally Posted by SSport16

I agree! Love this transmission! Everyone thinks DCTs are the answer, but yet all if not most are clunky driving around town, even Ferrari admits this and has had issues like this for years with their F1 style transmissions.

Totally FALSE. Everyone that talks smack about DCT has obviously never driven PDK. Those that have driven PDK, or DCTs from Ferrari, Lambo, or Audi, just laugh at posts like the one above and roll their eyes.
The A8 is a good trans for drag racing when left in drive. For everything, else a manual with a clutch, or dual clutches, is a far superior transmission.
Go drive a PDK and then you will understand. And, DCT IS THE ANSWER, as proven by EVERY hyper and super car currently in production.

After testing the A8 for myself, I know that the A8 is NOT a manual replacement for those wanting a manual, or DCT, experience.
This is due to the lag when using the paddles.
The experience and educated among us that have tested the M6, A8, and various DCTs have a RESPONSIBILITY to our fellow Camaro/Corvette buyers to give them accurate information and advice before the place their orders. The best advice is go test all these transmission for yourself.

After testing the A8, followed by M6 with rev matching, I ordered my 2016 1SS with the manual because the M6 with rev matching is the closest transmission to a DCT that GM offers AT THIS TIME.

[SPCBA]

Make sure and report your feels as facts and poopoo anyone who has feels contrary to you.
I have driven a few dopplekuppler and they aren't the end all be all. In my opinion and feels they were wonky on the street, and felt unsure in downshifts, again my feels. I liked the sequential I drove on track, it costs more than my car and can pop out of gear when not under load.

Glad op likes his car. Can't imagine someone that can row through the gears faster than his computer.

[GMapologists]

Originally Posted by SPCBA

I have driven a few dopplekuppler and they aren't the end all be all.

Sorry, but you've never driven Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo, or R8 DCTs. If you have, you would know that they are the end all be all.

The A8 is no comparison to the performance DCTs listed above. The rev matching M6 is the closest thing that GM offers to those DCTs.
The A8 is a decent torque converter transmission if left in drive 100% of the time, until it overheats. If you want to manually shift, get the M6.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by GMapologists

[/B] After testing the A8, followed by M6 with rev matching, I ordered my 2016 1SS with the manual because the M6 with rev matching is the closest transmission to a DCT that GM offers AT THIS TIME.

And there you have it. You just opened your mouth and removed all doubt of your lack of knowledge. You do realize even a pro driver can't shift a manual as fast as a DCT or the 8L90. So you just contradicted every point you made by saying the M6 is as close to a DCT that GM offers. Since it has been proven countless times the 8L90 shift time is faster than a pro driver can manually shift. In fact, the difference between a pro driver and the 8L90 shift times is greater than the difference between it and a PDK. So no the 8L90 is as close to a hypercar DCT as GM has produced. So please continue to post reasons why you have no clue what you are talking about. Saying there is lag in the paddles is on thing, but saying the M6 is even remotely close to a DCT is pure ignorance.

[Whis]

Regarding the paddle shifters and the "lag" people talk about, isn't it the same lag you will get when you decide to shift and start depressing the clutch and physically moving the stick? Is it not less lag than doing that action?

[GMapologists]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

And there you have it. You just opened your mouth and removed all doubt of your lack of knowledge. You do realize even a pro driver can't shift a manual as fast as a DCT or the 8L90. So you just contradicted every point you made by saying the M6 is as close to a DCT that GM offers. Since it has been proven countless times the 8L90 shift time is faster than a pro driver can manually shift. In fact, the difference between a pro driver and the 8L90 shift times is greater than the difference between it and a PDK. So no the 8L90 is as close to a hypercar DCT as GM has produced. So please continue to post reasons why you have no clue what you are talking about. Saying there is lag in the paddles is on thing, but saying the M6 is even remotely close to a DCT is pure ignorance.

Even though your tone is condescending and your post argumentative, I agree that the M6 is NOT remotely close to PDK.
If you take the time to reread my post, I said that the rev matching M6 is the closest thing that GM offers to DCT at this time after personally testing all of these transmissions for myself. I never said that the rev matching M6 is close to a DCT.
Reading comprehension is fundamental.
Don't even get me started on Tadge Juechter ON VIDEO recommending the rev matching manual over the A8 due to various reasons, including over heating issues.

Here is my olive branch to all:
Can we all agree that everyone wanting a "paddle shifting experience" from the A8 needs to personally test the A8 and M6 before making their decision, especially those coming from a manual transmission or wanting a DCT experience ????

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Whis

Regarding the paddle shifters and the "lag" people talk about, isn't it the same lag you will get when you decide to shift and start depressing the clutch and physically moving the stick? Is it not less lag than doing that action?

If it's a 1 sec or longer, then a pro driver can't definitely manually shift faster. If less than that, it won't be insignificant. Essentially the same time it takes to blink.

[Whis]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

If it's a 1 sec or longer, then a pro driver can't definitely manually shift faster. If less than that, it won't be insignificant. Essentially the same time it takes to blink.

I was on the challenger forums, or some other google result site regarding this, and they were talking about the max speed anyone was captured at shifting at was around 150-160MS, from framecapturing when the foot started depressing the clutch

The paddle shifter is probably around that or less as you stated I guess

[Whis]

From what I can surmise it all goes back to "what do you like the feel of doing" when talking about any benefit of a manual right now, unless I am missing something after reading page after page on multiple forums

[mcsoul]

Originally Posted by alfonsoj23

Guys can y'all answer this for me please... Ok so my dad says that it's illegal for cars to have limited slip differentials... ?? Doesn't the SS come with it?? I told him it's not true

It's tru, and all wheel drive is a felony