[ChocoTaco369]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Still ugly. Toilet hood. Gas filler on wrong side. Shitty ohv engine. Brakes too small. Tires too small. Wrong track width. Shitty wheelbase. Wheels too big. Wheels too heavy. Trololol

Looks are subjective, I get that. Most Mustang guys don't like the 2015 redesign - I guess that's why you own an older body style. Ugly Ford Fusion hood and sloppy rear, right?

That being said, the "shitty OHV engine" argument makes no sense. It makes more power, more torque, weighs less and gets the same fuel economy, yet costs less than half the cost to modify and is warrantied 67% longer from the factory. The "shitty OHV" engine decimates the Coyote on every single front. Why on Earth would anyone want a DOHC engine that underperforms in every aspect and costs an arm and a leg by comparison? It's just laughable.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369

Looks are subjective, I get that. Most Mustang guys don't like the 2015 redesign - I guess that's why you own an older body style. Ugly Ford Fusion hood and sloppy rear, right?

That being said, the "shitty OHV engine" argument makes no sense. It makes more power, more torque, weighs less and gets the same fuel economy, yet costs less than half the cost to modify and is warrantied 67% longer from the factory. The "shitty OHV" engine decimates the Coyote on every single front. Why on Earth would anyone want a DOHC engine that underperforms in every aspect and costs an arm and a leg by comparison? It's just laughable.

I like the new Mustang as well. Just depends on the day and angle. I got the 2013 because I planned on keeping it short term to trade in for the Camaro instead of taking a larger hit with a new car.

[NASTY99Z28]

Originally Posted by citizennick

It's like that in my Focus ST. Shifting so often that when you hit 60-65 you're looking for a 7th gear that isn't there. I'm in 3rd gear in that car before I hit the 1/8 mile mark.

Anyone who drag races with a stick is in 3rd by the 1/8 mile. Unless you have a 4th gen with a 6speed and 2.73 gears.

[NASTY99Z28]

I want to see how easily the 6th gen can hit 10's. Hopefully they can do it without opening the engine.

[ChocoTaco369]

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

The Camaro is just the better overall car - period. Just like in the last gen.

Not saying a Mustang wouldn't be a fun car to own, but if you are a discriminating buyer of performance you simply have to choose Camaro over Mustang.

To be fair, Gen 5 the Mustang was significantly better in a straight line. However, that was solely due to the solid rear axle.

The hardest thing to swallow with the new Camaro is the price increase. The Camaro has always carried a small premium over the Mustang, but the premium is growing. What's amazing is how affordable the current GT350 and GT350R is compared to the Gen 5 Z28. The Camaro's price tag is growing at ab even faster rate than its performance advantage over the Mustang. I'm afraid to see what the ZL1 and Z28 will cost in the 6th Gen.

[ChocoTaco369]

Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

I want to see how easily the 6th gen can hit 10's. Hopefully they can do it without opening the engine.

No way. Cam only in an auto with a huge stall and sticky tires, maybe. Cutting 1.5 seconds with bolt-ons, tires and a converter is way too much to ask for in my opinion. Maybe 11.3's in negative DA with extremely rate perfect runs on expertly prepped tracks.

Let's not forget this Camaro finally gets GOOD MANIFOLDS from the factory. There may be less left on the table this time for bolt-ons.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369

No way. Cam only in an auto with a huge stall and sticky tires, maybe. Cutting 1.5 seconds with bolt-ons, tires and a converter is way too much to ask for in my opinion. Maybe 11.3's in negative DA with extremely rate perfect runs on expertly prepped tracks.

Let's not forget this Camaro finally gets GOOD MANIFOLDS from the factory. There may be less left on the table this time for bolt-ons.

More like 1 sec, because you know their will be autos running 11.9's or better stock. It will be a stretch to get into the 10s without power adders.

[Eric SS]

Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369

No way. Cam only in an auto with a huge stall and sticky tires, maybe. Cutting 1.5 seconds with bolt-ons, tires and a converter is way too much to ask for in my opinion. Maybe 11.3's in negative DA with extremely rate perfect runs on expertly prepped tracks.

Let's not forget this Camaro finally gets GOOD MANIFOLDS from the factory. There may be less left on the table this time for bolt-ons.

Nitrous my friend : ) I;ve had it on my last 2 Camaros and love it. If done right, it is very safe. But to be fair, I haven't researched Nitrous on the LT1 to know how stout of a motor it is. My LS1 loved the 150hp wet kit.

[dragonZ28]

Easy car to get into the 10s. Easy.

[GTIanZ28]

Originally Posted by huggercamaro21

0-110
Camaro 11.4
Mustang 12.9

Woah.

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Shift for Camaro comes in at about 110mph.. A little before the finish line. Will be interesting to see more aggressive gearing.

This is very interesting. It takes an additional second to gain 4.6 mph and finish off the 1/4.

Does that mean there is additional time & speed to be had with different gearing? Is it possible that a gearing change might bring the manual in line with the auto?

I don't know anything about drag racing.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by GTIanZ28

This is very interesting. It takes an additional second to gain 4.6 mph and finish off the 1/4.

Does that mean there is additional time & speed to be had with different gearing? Is it possible that a gearing change might bring the manual in line with the auto?

I don't know anything about drag racing.

I would say yes. After all the advantage of the A8 is in effective gearing, not the speeds of the shifts in the 1/4.

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[c5Legend]

This is why I chose Camaro over Mustang.. I just like hangin with the winners.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369

To be fair, Gen 5 the Mustang was significantly better in a straight line. However, that was solely due to the solid rear axle.

The hardest thing to swallow with the new Camaro is the price increase. The Camaro has always carried a small premium over the Mustang, but the premium is growing. What's amazing is how affordable the current GT350 and GT350R is compared to the Gen 5 Z28. The Camaro's price tag is growing at ab even faster rate than its performance advantage over the Mustang. I'm afraid to see what the ZL1 and Z28 will cost in the 6th Gen.

If we get another ZL1 and a Z/28 (and not morphed into one) I honestly feel like the ZL1 will come out a bit more expensive than the 5th gen (thinking starting in low 60s?) but the Z/28 will be less expensive than the $75,000 asking price for the 5th gen.

If they are morphed into one, whatever it is called, I can see a wide asking range b/c their would be different trims available....whether for touring or track. In this case I would guess a range of starting low 60s for base model to upper 60s or low 70s for the track star.

[SpeedIsLife]

So...

Max loaded GT vs base 1SS..not an apples to apples comparison..but these results are okay to crow about?

If it had gone the other way with a base GTPP putting a hurt on a max loaded 2SS this forum would be losing its mind.