[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by blakjak55

Really?

Fill me in exactly on what the new trucks possess that could possibly double the price after a trade in. I understand you're biased but seriously, any reasonable explanation outside of inflation. Comfort and convenience features don't cut it because it isn't just the trucks that get those. Those are available across the spectrum of autos that GM produces.

The prices are ridiculous, they're high because people are somehow willingly paying those prices, and I don't blame a business for making money but it's not justified and reasonable.

Higher quality build materials (and better quality all around for that matter), better interior tech, better powertrain tech, more standard factory equipment, etc. The GMT-900 truck was downright spartan compared to the K2XX.

You guys act as if every truck GM is producing costs over $50k. You can still get a pretty damn well equipped truck in the $30k range. The fact of the matter is the market has changed, and trucks are no longer seen as just work vehicles. High Country and Denali sales make up a huge chunk of K2XX volume. It is what it is.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Higher quality build materials (and better quality all around for that matter), better interior tech, better powertrain tech, more standard factory equipment, etc. The GMT-900 truck was downright spartan compared to the K2XX.

You guys act as if every truck GM is producing costs over $50k. You can still get a pretty damn well equipped truck in the $30k range. The fact of the matter is the market has changed, and trucks are no longer seen as just work vehicles. High Country and Denali sales make up a huge chunk of K2XX volume. It is what it is.

I agree, with the fact that rich guys have decided that trucks are the new BMW and this has allowed manufacturers to add some goodies and then charge a premium for them. It has also caused the based trucks to cost too much. I'm not blaming the manufacturers at all. If there are people that will pay the asking price then why not sell them. I still think it's crazy ,and I have the money to purchase these unito. I also know that trucks are where the manufacturers make the most profit per vehicle. If wages keep being suppressed, I think trucks will only be reserved for the rich or manufacturers will have to rethink their high margins on them. I think this is why the small trucks are making a comeback. The sad thing is they aren't cheap either.

[trashmanssd]

we just bought a almost as basic as you can get Chevy 2500 HD extended cab. 6.0 Gas, Vinyl floor, tiny non touch screen audio, does have cloth seats (actually wanted vinyl but cant find anywhere), Has power locks and windows, has back up camera in small screen,Bluetooth, Plow prep and trailer package. It is actually a pretty nice truck. Sticker was 40,610 or abouts and got them down to 34,610. It is everything we need with out all the added B.S. and its ptretty good value. Just wish the back up screen was a bit bigger and aimed at the driver its almost usless at 4" and aimed right up the middle of the cab you almost need to lean over and stare at it to be able to see anything.

For personal use I got a tundra last year. Tundra Quad cad (4 huge doors) Limited 5.7 Gas 4.10 rear axle tows like a beast. Leather seating 6.5" screen with back up camera, nav, heated seats, auto climate control, TRD package, tow Package, full sliding rear window which I love, big center console in the front, Blue tooth, steering wheel controls for everything. Sticker was 44,??? I got it down to 40,??? 4K off. I love my Tundra great truck for the money I was willing to spend. Only features I would like that it didn't have are push button start and cooled drivers seat.

[thebigbankhank]

I've got a 2014 5.3 z71 crew and it's just awesome. The only complaint I've got is that the front end is too low... But a lift will soon take care of that. You can't feel the 8-4 switch at all. I drove a demo and I ran e85 through it and it was noticeable Only bc I was looking for it. Only other issue is its governed at 99..... And it gets there quickly and smoothly... Getting on the highway pulling a trailer and next thing you know... Shut it down... Definitely not intentional to pull a trailer that fast but it's easy to do in these trucks and not be aware of the speed you're carrying bc of how smooth it is. I average 17.3 and I'm at 20k on the truck. Bought it used with 11k last year. Be hauled hay and a 20 ft enclosed trailer and the truck wasn't even breathing hard... If I wanted something to show off with to say it has a 6.2 then I'd get one or if I wanted something good for resale but I don't need It. Paid 38 for mine last year. 1Lt with nav

[hockeylover86]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

And your '07 doesn't have anywhere near the features the new trucks have.

I was referring specifically to the post about the '14 1500 LTZ 5.3 2WD for $53k.

Very excessive cost in my opinion.

[hockeylover86]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Higher quality build materials (and better quality all around for that matter), better interior tech, better powertrain tech, more standard factory equipment, etc. The GMT-900 truck was downright spartan compared to the K2XX.

You guys act as if every truck GM is producing costs over $50k. You can still get a pretty damn well equipped truck in the $30k range. The fact of the matter is the market has changed, and trucks are no longer seen as just work vehicles. High Country and Denali sales make up a huge chunk of K2XX volume. It is what it is.

I would argue that my 07 LBZ Duramax powertrain is superior to the latest Duramax in the K2XX, regardless of the EPA mandated handicaps.

The rest of the '15 truck is nicer for sure, I just don't think its $25k nicer..

And this is not specific to GM, Ford is really nuts on the new F150 prices, maybe the reason the sales declined.

Maybe its just me..

[blakjak55]

Originally Posted by hockeylover86

I would argue that my 07 LBZ Duramax powertrain is superior to the latest Duramax in the K2XX, regardless of the EPA mandated handicaps.

The rest of the '15 truck is nicer for sure, I just don't think its $25k nicer..

And this is not specific to GM, Ford is really nuts on the new F150 prices, maybe the reason the sales declined.

Maybe its just me..

It's not you. There's no reason for prices to be what they are other than people are paying them.

I don't know if it's here to stay or not. After all, people were paying ridiculous prices for houses ten years ago and look where that got them.

[trashmanssd]

I think prices are here to stay. Its like a gas guzzler tax, I believe they are hoping that people who don't need a V8 go down market and get a Canyon or Colorado V6 to help there fleet averages. Or if they dont they are paying enough for the V8 full size that they can afford to buy the emissions credits they need from some one or give rebates for their own small econo cars to off set it. just a theory I could be crazy more like probably crazy!

[DRKS1D3]

My Dad traded his '08 LTZ for a '14 LTZ last August. His '08 had the 5.3L and he knew he wanted the new 6.2L in the '14, so he found one and bought it. He has a 20' speedboat and a fairly large, enclosed, tandem axle trailer that can haul up to 3 motorcycles. He said the 6.2L is leaps and bounds above the 5.3L. Do what you wish, but if you have heavy toys to haul, get the 6.2L. BTW (as already stated), the 6.2L also has cylinder deactivation.

[McBeevee]

Originally Posted by DRKS1D3

My Dad traded his '08 LTZ for a '14 LTZ last August. His '08 had the 5.3L and he knew he wanted the new 6.2L in the '14, so he found one and bought it. He has a 20' speedboat and a fairly large, enclosed, tandem axle trailer that can haul up to 3 motorcycles. He said the 6.2L is leaps and bounds above the 5.3L. Do what you wish, but if you have heavy toys to haul, get the 6.2L. BTW (as already stated), the 6.2L also has cylinder deactivation.

I agree with about everything you said, but comparing a 2008 5.3 equipped Silverado to a 2014 with the 6.2 is hardly a fair comparison.

[Ryanbabz71]

The new 6.2 has AFM.

I would go with the 6.2 in a heartbeat. I have a 2010 with the 6.2 non AFM and I love it. I will be in the market in 18/19 and it will be hard to get rid of my current truck.

Also check out GM-trucks.com there are a few topics on this very subject.


Ryan

[JantzenOKC]

Originally Posted by Ryanbabz71

Also check out GM-trucks.com there are a few topics on this very subject.

Thanks, I'll check it out.

[DRKS1D3]

Originally Posted by Never Satisfied

I agree with about everything you said, but comparing a 2008 5.3 equipped Silverado to a 2014 with the 6.2 is hardly a fair comparison.

I'm comparing engine vs. engine (as to answer the OP's original question). The 6.2L is leaps and bounds above the 5.3L. It is a towing monster! If you'd like to take it to comparing the entire truck too, we can. My Dad only buys black, extended cab, loaded out LTZ models. That is what he likes (he bought brand new, a '99, '08 and '14). The '08 and the new '14 are the same exact model, just 6 years apart. What GM has done in those 6 years is amazing. He thought his '08 was fantastic until he got the '14. Both the '99 and '08 had all kinds of luxuries, but the '14 is in a class of its own.

[McBeevee]

Originally Posted by DRKS1D3

I'm comparing engine vs. engine (as to answer the OP's original question). The 6.2L is leaps and bounds above the 5.3L. It is a towing monster! If you'd like to take it to comparing the entire truck too, we can. My Dad only buys black, extended cab, loaded out LTZ models. That is what he likes (he bought brand new, a '99, '08 and '14). The '08 and the new '14 are the same exact model, just 6 years apart. What GM has done in those 6 years is amazing. He thought his '08 was fantastic until he got the '14. Both the '99 and '08 had all kinds of luxuries, but the '14 is in a class of its own.

Maybe I might have been a bit more specific, but I was specifically referring to the engines. Not sure what the color of the truck has to do with this discussion but simply put the 2008 5.3 was rated at 315/338. The 2014 5.3 is rated at 355/383. The '08 is down 40 hp and 50lbft of torque to the current 5.3 (plus the peak torque is made at a lower RPM in the '14). How do you consider this to be the exact same? If you reread my previous post....I said I agreed with almost everything you said, including the fact that the 6.2 makes a lot more power and torque versus the 5.3. The OP specifically stated: I don't pull a ton of stuff but I do pull some and would like to be able pull my car around with no problems. The current 5.3 would be more than capable of pulling his car on occasion if he's concerned about fuel economy.