[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Rocco70

Ok just ment it sold very well I don't think the 6th will have its numbers In sales due to price. Look it's a great car I just don't think it's worth the 49,000 to 50,000 for the one I want. The gm prices are getting out of hand camaros cost what vets use to vets cost what z06 use to and z06 cost I don't know what lambo's use to its nuts.

Like how you mention $49-50k for the one you want. Which means 2SS with essentially every option, but earlier you said you didn't want all the "stuff" in the new gen. So why would you not price a 1SS which would be comparable to a '15 1LE and see how they have almost the same MSRP? I mean it's one thing to say hey you can get a much better deal on a '15 right now, but you can't say at the same time the '16 is priced too high.

And just in case you don't remember:

2015 1SS M6 1LE - MSRP $38k
2016 1SS M6 - MSRP $36,300

Let's not even get into what the '16 1SS has over the '15 1SS.

You can have your opinion, but stick to the facts.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by Rocco70

Ok just ment it sold very well I don't think the 6th will have its numbers In sales due to price. Look it's a great car I just don't think it's worth the 49,000 to 50,000 for the one I want. The gm prices are getting out of hand camaros cost what vets use to vets cost what z06 use to and z06 cost I don't know what lambo's use to its nuts.

I know. My parent's first house cost $18K. A Malibu cost what a house did. Damn GM.

[SacraMaro]

Originally Posted by rayhawk

Hmm... I guess I should have asked this question on camaro5 if I wanted anyone to try and sell me on the 5th gen as the better value.

it just seems to me that with this new iteration once again Camaro is trying to closer and closer to the Corvette. I had a 2 2002 Camaros and it is a cave with no space and crazy hot inside. The 5th gen is closer to a "heavy chevy" and having sedan like space. The new Camaro being smaller and more compact is trying a formula closer to the 4th gen. If it were me I would get the 5th gen and save your money then get a Corvette.

[Rocco70]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Like how you mention $49-50k for the one you want. Which means 2SS with essentially every option, but earlier you said you didn't want all the "stuff" in the new gen. So why would you not price a 1SS which would be comparable to a '15 1LE and see how they have almost the same MSRP? I mean it's one thing to say hey you can get a much better deal on a '15 right now, but you can't say at the same time the '16 is priced too high.

And just in case you don't remember:

2015 1SS M6 1LE - MSRP $38k
2016 1SS M6 - MSRP $36,300

Let's not even get into what the '16 1SS has over the '15 1SS.

You can have your opinion, but stick to the facts.

Not every option just the main ones and if I'm going to but the car those ar the things I want not all the othe stuff that comes with it blind spot heated and vented seats heated wheel three radiators lighting that changes colors how stupid and so on. That's the crap that drove the price up.

[Rocco70]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

I know. My parent's first house cost $18K. A Malibu cost what a house did. Damn GM.

This change has happen in a few years not 50

[Rocco70]

45 should have been the range for a loaded 2ss that would have sold cars

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by Rocco70

This change has happen in a few years not 50

It has been more than a few years since you could get a base vette for less than $37k.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Rocco70

Not every option just the main ones and if I'm going to but the car those ar the things I want not all the othe stuff that comes with it blind spot heated and vented seats heated wheel three radiators lighting that changes colors how stupid and so on. That's the crap that drove the price up.

'16 2SS A8, NPP, MRC = $45385 MSRP. That's probably the best options for it.

Also the 1SS has the same track cooling/braking as the 2SS. So what besides leather and HUD are you wanting that a 1SS doesn't have?

[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by rayhawk

Is the 6th gen Camaro going to be like the leap from the 93-97 LT1's to the 98-02 LS1's? I keep trying to convince myself it is worth the ~$10k savings to get a 2015 1LE over a 2016 2SS. I know the LS3 is a great engine, and you could argue it is more mod-friendly without the DI, but I just feel like the 6th gen is poised to really make the 5th gen somewhat irrelevant from a performance standpoint, especially stock.

I know many will say each new generation leaves the prior one in the dust, but the 2011-2014 Mustang GT is not very far behind the 2015 Mustang GT, but a 2005-2010 Mustang GT is definitely pretty far behind at this point.

OP The difference between the 4th gen and the 5th was a much bigger jump than (I think) between the 5th and the 6th. There was not much of a jump in speed between the 4th and 5th, but as a car the 5th gen is far superior. It is much more comfortable, better designed, and handles much better. I have owned 3 4th gens and 2 5th gens.

Now lighter is better and I am sure the quality of the rather plain, although nicely stylized 5th gen, is much improved in the 6th gen. But apparently the visibility still sucks in the 6th gen.

If you are going to compare prices you would have to compare a used ZL1 against a loaded CA6 SS. I am sure the ZL1 would have no problem performing as well or better than the 6th gen SS and it is a much smarter buy with the depreciation hit already taken. They are kind of rare and have tons of potential if you want to go faster. They are also dead reliable and to some eyes better looking than the 6th gen. You would not have the fastest supercar, but you would have a supercar. The CA6 SS will not be leaving a ZL1 in the dust, on the street, at the drags, or on a road track. The ZL1 is an amazing all around car. I built my 1LE to a very high level, but if I had to do it over again, I would have bought a ZL1.

The older car is the smarter buy. And when the next ZL1/Z28 comes out you can expect it to be super expensive.

Oh, and one other thing, for the price of a loaded SS you can buy (but maybe not with ADM) a base GT 350. Now that car just might leave the new SS in the dust.

[KaBoom1701]

I'll line up my ZL1 against the 1SS/2SS 6th Gen and see what happens and report back to you guys.

[94turbolsx]

Where do get your saving $10K on 2015 1LE over a 2016. Have you actually priced how expensive the 2015's are? To spec a 1 or 2SS 1LE like a 2016 the price difference is not even worth a mention.

The 5th gen crowd possibly wont agree with me, but yes I think it will be like the scenario you mention between the LT and LS era. GM did flat out amazing things on the 5th gen with a heavy chassis that was never really designed to be a performance car. Now your getting a lighter chassis designed around performance from its inception by the same people that sprinkled magic all over the heavy Zeta chassis, plus 30 hp and 35 lb/ft. I think the likely outcome is obvious here

[rayhawk]

Originally Posted by 94turbolsx

Where do get your saving $10K on 2015 1LE over a 2016. Have you actually priced how expensive the 2015's are? To spec a 1 or 2SS 1LE like a 2016 the price difference is not even worth a mention.

The 5th gen crowd possibly wont agree with me, but yes I think it will be like the scenario you mention between the LT and LS era. GM did flat out amazing things on the 5th gen with a heavy chassis that was never really designed to be a performance car. Now your getting a lighter chassis designed around performance from its inception by the same people that sprinkled magic all over the heavy Zeta chassis, plus 30 hp and 35 lb/ft. I think the likely outcome is obvious here

There are some pretty good deals on 2015's right now, so although MSRP is similar, a new 2015 2SS 1LE can be had for mid 30's right now.

[Rocco70]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

It has been more than a few years since you could get a base vette for less than $37k.

If you want to compare do it too a 2ss not a 1ss and you could get a vet for close to that price.

[xgnxs]

Originally Posted by Rocco70

If you want to compare do it too a 2ss not a 1ss and you could get a vet for close to that price.

2016 2SS starting price is $42,295. 2016 C7 1LT starting price is $56,395. That's a difference of $14,100. Not even close. And you're getting a lot more with the 2SS than you are the C7 1LT.

I'm not sure how you consider that close.

If you're talking past generations, of course the new camaro is going to be closer in price to an older generation corvette.

Heck, the price of a 1953 C1 started at $3,490! You could buy 12 C1s in 1953 for what GM is charging for the 2016 2SS today! That is absolutely ridiculous, I'm not sure what GM is thinking!