[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by MBS

Why would any 5th gen owner be worried? Do you think 5th gen owner expected the 6th gen to be slower than a 5th?

I think he is talking about 5th gen SS owners being worried about 6th gen V6's, which is a bit of a stretch IMO.

[NASTY99Z28]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

I think he is talking about 5th gen SS owners being worried about 6th gen V6's, which is a bit of a stretch IMO.

Correct. But I'm not sure why you think its a stretch. Most drivers struggle to get a low/mid 13sec run from a 5th gen. The next 6 cylinder should run mid/high 13's with the HP/weight that keeps getting tossed around. That my friend is enough to make one take notice.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

Correct. But I'm not sure why you think its a stretch. Most drivers struggle to get a low/mid 13sec run from a 5th gen. The next 6 cylinder should run mid/high 13's with the HP/weight that keeps getting tossed around. That my friend is enough to make one take notice.

V6 6th gen vs V8 4th gen ... I give the 4th the edge
V8 4th gen vs SS 5th gen ... I give the 5th the edge

so ... V6 6th gen vs V8 5th, I give the 5th a decent edge.


I say its a stretch because I look at things with all other elements being equal. Could a great driver behind the wheel of a 6th gen V6 beat a newb in a 5th gen SS? Sure. But would I expect an average 6th gen owner to beat an average 5th gen SS owner? Nope, and from the looks of your post ... neither do you. Be 'afraid' or 'worried' or 'scared' of what is normal ... not what is rare.

[doc7000]

I have a curve ball on the performance of the 6th generation Camaro.......

The 2001 E46 BMW M3 had a weight of around 3,430 pounds and packed 333BHP, the 2016 V-6 Camaro should be around 3,450 pounds and packs 335BHP.

Car and Driver tested a 2001 M3 and got to 60 in 4.5 seconds and ran a 13.1 @ 107MPH in the 1/4. It looks like base wise the 2016 V-6 Camaro will be close to the E46 M3 with a better chassis and better tires to boot.

[mt3130]

Originally Posted by doc7000

I have a curve ball on the performance of the 6th generation Camaro.......

The 2001 E46 BMW M3 had a weight of around 3,430 pounds and packed 333BHP, the 2016 V-6 Camaro should be around 3,450 pounds and packs 335BHP.

Car and Driver tested a 2001 M3 and got to 60 in 4.5 seconds and ran a 13.1 @ 107MPH in the 1/4. It looks like base wise the 2016 V-6 Camaro will be close to the E46 M3 with a better chassis and better tires to boot.

It won't touch that 0-60 time, but the 1/4 time is within the realm of possibility based on ATS times.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by doc7000

I have a curve ball on the performance of the 6th generation Camaro.......

The 2001 E46 BMW M3 had a weight of around 3,430 pounds and packed 333BHP, the 2016 V-6 Camaro should be around 3,450 pounds and packs 335BHP.

Car and Driver tested a 2001 M3 and got to 60 in 4.5 seconds and ran a 13.1 @ 107MPH in the 1/4. It looks like base wise the 2016 V-6 Camaro will be close to the E46 M3 with a better chassis and better tires to boot.

BMW typically underrates their engines. They do not SAE test them. Prime example is my 328i rated at 240BHP. Most dynos I have seen show 240RWHP. Not sure what the E46 M's really made but I'm sure it was north of 333BHP.

[doc7000]

Modern turbo BMWs have been under rated due to an assumption of worse possible conditions. Not the case with their normally aspirated engines especially from over a decade ago.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by doc7000

Modern turbo BMWs have been under rated due to an assumption of worse possible conditions. Not the case with their normally aspirated engines especially from over a decade ago.

I've seen several 290+ RWHP dyno charts for E46s. That's around 11% loss with is definitely low. Not as underrated as the turbo engines have been I agree. Regardless BMW does not use SAE rating and the LGX is SAE rated. So I don't expect as good of times from the LGX cars. Maybe a hero run close to 13.1.

[NASTY99Z28]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

V6 6th gen vs V8 4th gen ... I give the 4th the edge
V8 4th gen vs SS 5th gen ... I give the 5th the edge

so ... V6 6th gen vs V8 5th, I give the 5th a decent edge.


I say its a stretch because I look at things with all other elements being equal. Could a great driver behind the wheel of a 6th gen V6 beat a newb in a 5th gen SS? Sure. But would I expect an average 6th gen owner to beat an average 5th gen SS owner? Nope, and from the looks of your post ... neither do you. Be 'afraid' or 'worried' or 'scared' of what is normal ... not what is rare.

So first you say I'm stretching things now agreeing that's its a possibility? I never said it would beat it every time just that v8 owners should be worried about a v6. All things equal yes the v8 wins evrytime but let them catch one spinning and it could be over. Thats not something that normally happen a from one gen to the next so I'd say that's kinda rare.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

I've seen several 290+ RWHP dyno charts for E46s. That's around 11% loss with is definitely low. Not as underrated as the turbo engines have been I agree. Regardless BMW does not use SAE rating and the LGX is SAE rated. So I don't expect as good of times from the LGX cars. Maybe a hero run close to 13.1.

I am optimistic of the LGX cars running decent 1/4 miles, but even 13.1 sounds like a bit of a stretch even for a hero run to me. Hopefully I'm wrong. I predict 13.5 - 13.7 1/4 mile times (magazine tests) for the V6. To see a stock one run a 13.1 hero run would be utterly amazing to me. Who knows?

Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

So first you say I'm stretching things now agreeing that's its a possibility? I never said it would beat it every time just that v8 owners should be worried about a v6. All things equal yes the v8 wins evrytime but let them catch one spinning and it could be over. Thats not something that normally happen a from one gen to the next so I'd say that's kinda rare.

I think with a couple bolt ons and a tune 6th gen V6s are going to be giving the stock 5th gen SS a hard time for sure....but I'd still give edge to stock 5th gen SS.....barely.

[ULTRAZLS1]

I think a realistic guess is a half second quicker than whatever the v6 is currently capable of.

300 lbs lighter. Little more hp. And an 8 speed. That should take off around a half second.

14 flat at 100 is where the current v6 car ends up in negative da. And the rest are around mid 14s.

Mid 13s best case scenario. Let's not kid ourselves. An ls3 will walk from that like nothing. Thats a full second away from the ls3 hero time.

Like has been said... Possibly a good race for an auto 4th gen and maybe an L99 car with more of a stretch.

[IOMike]

Close enough where "anything can happen on the street" applies, but not a genuinely faster car.

[Jeffro19]

Wouldn't it be great to have all the past camaros from gen 4, 5 and 6 to line up for a drag race? Get the turbo 4, V6 , V8 auto and manual. Would be interesting to see.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

So first you say I'm stretching things now agreeing that's its a possibility? I never said it would beat it every time just that v8 owners should be worried about a v6. All things equal yes the v8 wins evrytime but let them catch one spinning and it could be over. Thats not something that normally happen a from one gen to the next so I'd say that's kinda rare.

Just because you can lose to someone doesn't mean you should be worried about losing to them.

Lets put it this way ... if a 6th gen V6 lines up beside a stock 5th gen SS, which driver should be worried about losing?

1. The one that has to have a perfect run and hope that the other guy makes a mistake or two OR
2. The one that can have a small slip up and still have a decent chance at winning?

I say the first one, not the second.