[ToolFan66]

Originally Posted by Jeb114

I do not think Ford or Dodge need to do anything. They got to be laughing with that anemic reveal. They have colors, stripes extreme HP engines, Performance Packages. A new 600HP V6 for next year in the GT40. We have a new Blue, and tiny weeny Badges, and a new emblem!! Oh did I forget ford has the GT350R. Dodge Has the Hellcat. Did I miss anything GM took a Butter Knife, to a Gun Fight.

Are we 12??

[IOMike]

Originally Posted by delliott00

I will be interested to see if the weight savings claims bear out in real life, or if they disappoint us like Ford did to the Mustang enthusiasts.

But based on what GM has said publicly, and what they are telling members of the press, I actually think GM may be *sandbagging* a bit on the weight savings and that it will be MORE than 200lbs across the board.

Comments like this one from Autoblog "Though the new car is said to be more than 200 pounds lighter, that's a blanket number that applies to the entire Camaro range. The V6 model is actually about 300 pounds lighter, and that difference is apparent in our back-to-back drives. "

Article is here: http://www.autoblog.com/2015/05/17/2...e-first-drive/

If thats true, and its looking increasingly harder to discount, then we are probably looking at a 34xx V6 and maybe even a sub 3700 1SS. That is going to be a killer combo.

The Camaro 6th gen weight claim seems to be the big debate amongst a couple of my Mustang pals and on their forums. One of my track buddies has a new GTPP and always talked about the "extra 300lb fat chick in the passenger seat" in my 1LE to get under my skin. But when the news broke that the new stang was heavier, and when the C&D comparison came out and their "weight as tested" showed my 1LE was 3884 and his GTPP was 3810...well he stopped bringing it up. Maybe because I weigh 150 and he weighs about 240, which makes my car lighter :-)

Would love to see a 1SS with mag ride, recaros, and 6sp in the upper 3600s and a 2SS at 3700.

-Dave
'14 1LE

I thought I had read that the "approx 300lb" weight savings would be if you compared a t4 model, to a last gen v6. Engine for engine is 200+. Let's hope it's real. I'm sure fully loaded to the gills with MRC and cooled seats, yada yada, it will only be around 100lbs drop, but that's different.

20's are standard too. Much better looking than the junk 18's on the Mustang too.

[Denis]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Ford does NOT own Aston.

ill rephrase, they have an 8% stake in the company from what I can tell. I apologize.

but they didn't "steal" the front end for the mustang or any other car. That was more the point I was making.

[MLL67RSSS]

Originally Posted by Denis

Ford owns Aston Martin

Ford sold Aston Martin in 2007 for $925 million. They also sold their holdings in Jaguar, Land Rover, etc. which help insulated them from the meltdown and didn't need to take the Gov. bailout.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by IOMike

I thought I had read that the "approx 300lb" weight savings would be if you compared a t4 model, to a last gen v6. Engine for engine is 200+. Let's hope it's real. I'm sure fully loaded to the gills with MRC and cooled seats, yada yada, it will only be around 100lbs drop, but that's different.

20's are standard too. Much better looking than the junk 18's on the Mustang too.

From a performance perspective the 18's are superior to 20's...fyi

[87GNX]

Originally Posted by mvfjet

Ford might give the mustang a HP bump but with that ticking time bomb transmission the mt-82 ford can't bump it up to much. I just think it's funny how nervous the mustang fan boi's are. Its like 1999 all over again. Ls1 Camaro's killing 16 and 32 valve 4.6's. I don't care how much high rpm HP the 5.0 makes, I want low rpm torque from a high cube low tech Chevy small block.

Agree on some points. The low end and mid range torque is what most want, the coyote is pretty much no match there.

[ecoswag1990]

Originally Posted by shrinkdoc

Gen6 Cam has clearly whupped Ford in styling and Dodge is still over 4k lbs. What they gonna do now that Gen 6 Cam is coming??

Said no one.. ever

[titanfan]

Originally Posted by 87GNX

Agree on some points. The low end and mid range torque is what most want, the coyote is pretty much no match there.

People who drag race want low and mid range torque, but Camaro owners have evolved beyond that knuckle-dragging venue to the playground of real cars, the road course, right? If that's the case, who are these "most" you speak of?

[SpeedIsLife]

Over on M6G there's a former Stingray owner who said the LT1 kind of crap out past 5,600? Like it falls on its face.

Can anyone comment on that?

[87GNX]

Originally Posted by ztwentypoop

People who drag race want low and mid range torque, but Camaro owners have evolved beyond that knuckle-dragging venue to the playground of real cars, the road course, right? If that's the case, who are these "most" you speak of?

99% of street racers that you failed to mention.

[87GNX]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Over on M6G there's a former Stingray owner who said the LT1 kind of crap out past 5,600? Like it falls on its face.

Can anyone comment on that?

He's full of shit most likely, he wrecked his stingray, could not get another so he settled for a mustang.

[WHAMMO]

Originally Posted by 87GNX

He's full of shit most likely, he wrecked his stingray, could not get another so he settled for a mustang.

Im no engineer but it would be easy for GM to push the powerband higher for more hp and lose some/no tq with a slightly more agressive cam, LS6 style. That would make a nice Z28 engine!

[NASTY99Z28]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Over on M6G there's a former Stingray owner who said the LT1 kind of crap out past 5,600? Like it falls on its face.

Can anyone comment on that?

Maybe he came from a boss mustang before the c7. Those thongs turn 7500-8000rpm with just tunes so that would seem a bit off when going to a car that only turns 6200rpm.

[titanfan]

Originally Posted by 87GNX

99% of street racers that you failed to mention.

That would still be drag racing, correct? See, I agree with you. Despite claims by some that drag racing is passé and road racing is king, reality is that most people buying Mustangs, Camaros and Challengers hardly ever see a track of any kind.