[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Jugdishian

Actually, the CTS is based on the Sigma platform which is bigger than the Alpha. The ATS is based on the Alpha platform which is what is what the new camaro will use.

Sorry you are thinking of the previous CTS which shared the Sigma platform with the STS.

The 2014 and up CTS shares Alpha with the ATS.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

If it's dual mode exhaust that may account for it..

Someone did the fuse pull!

[DemonZL1]

I see some 3rd Gen styling

[fradaj]

Originally Posted by Anwro

I can see it now, after an hour in photoshop I think there is a little bit of a c7 in its design , under the doors panels too , alot in this particular bumper which I believe its the v6 bumper

You may be on to something, I kind of see some C7 there also.

[mt3130]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Oh and hatchbacks don't sell.

I don't agree with this. Cars that look like hatchbacks don't sell. A coupe with a hatch that looks like a coupe would probably be appreciated in most cases.

It resolves the very common complaint about the size of the trunk opening.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by mt3130

I don't agree with this. Cars that look like hatchbacks don't sell. A coupe with a hatch that looks like a coupe would probably be appreciated in most cases.

It resolves the very common complaint about the size of the trunk opening.

Your last point is why hatchbacks sell in Europe.

Sales volumes prove they don't sell here. There is a reason why the Subaru WRX is now a sedan only.

Ford sells the Focus hatch that is the only real volume hatch selling. Mazda 3 and Hyundai Elantra offer both. Chevy Sonic offers both hatch and sedan. Smaller cars like the Chevy Spark and Mazda 2 have a hatch only, I believe. But for the most part hatchbacks are only slightly better than wagons in the US and particularly for GM.

For example, GM has a hatchback Insignia (Buick Regal here) on sale and in production in Europe. If they thought they could sell it here................it would be here. There is also a wagon, that for a short while looked like it was coming here too. But wagon sales are horrid. SUVs have taken that market.

You are doing what most of us do. If I want one then everyone would want one too. Sales don't show that.

But again, it makes a crappier body structure and I wouldn't want it on my Camaro for any reason. It's also worse for NVH.

Don't get me wrong, it would be a big differentiator between the Mustang and Challenger. I just don't see GM taking that risk.

[Angrybird 12]

Just saying a small hatchback is one thing but as Number 3 indicated the larger you go the more structural rigidity you lose like on a convertible and need to compensate for. This would increase weight and that is something they do not want to do.

[mt3130]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Your last point is why hatchbacks sell in Europe.

Sales volumes prove they don't sell here. There is a reason why the Subaru WRX is now a sedan only.

Ford sells the Focus hatch that is the only real volume hatch selling. Mazda 3 and Hyundai Elantra offer both. Chevy Sonic offers both hatch and sedan. Smaller cars like the Chevy Spark and Mazda 2 have a hatch only, I believe. But for the most part hatchbacks are only slightly better than wagons in the US and particularly for GM.

For example, GM has a hatchback Insignia (Buick Regal here) on sale and in production in Europe. If they thought they could sell it here................it would be here. There is also a wagon, that for a short while looked like it was coming here too. But wagon sales are horrid. SUVs have taken that market.

You are doing what most of us do. If I want one then everyone would want one too. Sales don't show that.

But again, it makes a crappier body structure and I wouldn't want it on my Camaro for any reason. It's also worse for NVH.

Don't get me wrong, it would be a big differentiator between the Mustang and Challenger. I just don't see GM taking that risk.

I get what you are saying. However, in all of your examples, you are referring to hatchbacks that look like tiny station wagons, not coupes with rear hatch, a la the Corvette, Scion TC or Hyundai Genesis coupe. All of the offerings you mentioned that offer both are mutually exclusive. The car is available as either a coupe, or a hatchback, not a coupe with a hatch.

I agree with you about the structure and NVH. Both could be addressed, but it would add significant weight to do so.

[Dyk-NO]

For people who are complainign about the 20" rims I guess you guys aren't planning on replacing them in the future?

And also I noticed that the wheel arches are shorter than the current ones so thats better for lowering and smaller wheels will look better on closing the gaps than the current model.

[54Oramac]

Looking a little closer at the photo taken of the rear of the c6. I think I can see "spines" running up and down the rear of the car parallel to the rear window, similar to the c7 Corvette. On the C5 the rear window was flush with the back. Does anyone else see this?

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by 54Oramac

Looking a little closer at the photo taken of the rear of the c6. I think I can see "spines" running up and down the rear of the car parallel to the rear window, similar to the c7 Corvette. On the C5 the rear window was flush with the back. Does anyone else see this?

Yes I pointed that out earlier... Post 30

[90503]

Originally Posted by 54Oramac

Looking a little closer at the photo taken of the rear of the c6. I think I can see "spines" running up and down the rear of the car parallel to the rear window, similar to the c7 Corvette. On the C5 the rear window was flush with the back. Does anyone else see this?

That's a very cool feature....Sure looks good on the 'Vette...

[ChefBorOzzy]

Back to the old story.. Can you guys stop saying C5 or C6 when referring to a Camaro?

[HuJass]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Back to the old story.. Can you guys stop saying C5 or C6 when referring to a Camaro?

Really.

Call it F5 or F6 if you must shorten it.