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The "soft" conversation was in regards the final look of the Mustang compared to the drawings. BTW, the Camaro is built like a tank! Pete (from what was Pedders) mentioned this numerous times in developing their suspension for the 5Gen.
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Originally Posted by jp23rockstar View Post All I can hope is Chevy doesn't go soft like Ford went with the Mustang. Not meant for you KMP. Your posts are interesting, well researched, educating, and the type that makes these forums fun. I replied to your post about styling with the concept sketches. I had a different take and expressed it, that does not make me right or you wrong. I enjoy the exchange of ideas. I think this site has more intelligent posters than the equivalent mustang site. I always respect the other guys car. He has money pride and joy in it. I have that in mine. Ford had a super idea with retro in '05. The Mustang got a lot better after GM launched Gen 5 in '09. I learn more from people who don't think like me than from people who do. I respect the Camaro, and consider it a land mark in muscle car history. But like a '14 Camaro buyer wrote here last month, "there is no perfect car." Beating on the differences is entertaining. Driving competing vehicles, does not mean we don't have a lot in common. Good luck and I enjoy your take on things. Last edited by edco; 03-17-2014 at 02:10 PM. |
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Z/28, 1LE, ZL1 are hyperperformance and IRS, I suspect the components are radically different from SS and RS. Does Chevy have any tech bulletins for Gen 5 IRS alignment? All I know is what I saw laying on the ground, I suspect that suspension will not take much abuse. Face it, nobody on this site is going to do what Steve McQueen did in Bullitt with their car and that includes me. Last edited by edco; 03-17-2014 at 04:07 PM. |
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We are the same. I have never smoked my tires or attended a drag race. It is bad for the life of the car. The road courses we rally on in Missouri are tougher on suspensions than a drag strip. You can't break the speed limit, the terrain will not let you. There are no shoulders and the trees are just two yards away. In '92 in snow, not performance driving, I put my Cougar XR7 in a ditch. It was a grand to get that 3860# IRS, 5.0 V8 running straight again. IRS is fine as long you stay between the lines. In that IRS Cougar I did RR crossings at 15mph or slower. In the GT I don't worry about them. That is my point about the words soft and Mustang being combined. |
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The word "soft" was only regarding its looks, especially after seeing the renderings.
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03-20-2014, 05:54 AM | #163 |
I just hope this 6 gen don't take any references from 2th gen... the new camaro should have just stick a straight and strong American muscle design, no soft line design like a euro car, and that's all what 2th gen is ...
then again they made it right with the 3th gen, straight lines, and good and aggressive design... and then they screw it up again with the 4 gen (is the same 3th gen lines but smoded), please dont get me wrong (I even have a 4th z28 and I love it)... every camaro gen is nice and different.. is like a color in a rainbow, but you have to admit the 2th and 4th gen are the weakest design compared to 1st, 3th, and 5th gen, but seen what GM done with the C7 and the SS (sedan) Im 110% sure it would be a really good looking car
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And guess what everyone now thinks a Camaro looks like? The 5th gen. Regarding your comment in bold above: I agree 1000%. I can't wait to see the 6th gen design, because I'm sure it's going to be phenominal! |
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I don't follow the use of the word soft to describe car styling. Is a Porsche 911 soft? Is a Pontiac G8 soft? Is a 2000 Camaro soft? Is a 2004 Cobra Mustang soft?. Line up all those cars and compare them to the 2015 Mustang. The '15 has sharper cut contours than any of them. I would not describe the next Mustang as soft. Can someone describe what hard is?
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However, GM discontinued production, Mustang was out selling both. There were some Mustang specialty editions like Cobra-R, and Cobra that not only bettered Camaro, in the day, they out performed Corvette and Viper. Those were low volume high dollar vehicles I discount, because the average muscle car buyer was not going to buy them. It is interesting that history repeats itself. When the '67 Camaro came out, I did not drive yet, but got a ride in a new one with an older buddy. It was just bigger everywhere than the Mustang. When Gen5 Camaro came out, same, it was just bigger everywhere than S197 Mustang. Wheels, tires, wb, track, width, length, HP, Torque, weight, gas consumption etc. There is true '67 style keys in Gen5 Camaro. It will be interesting to see where the Gen 6 Camaro goes. One of the things that hurt Camaro sales eighties, nineties, and the Y2k models was interior quality. GM cut a corner on UV stabilizer additives in the injection molded plastic. There is plenty of plastic in Camaros. It just faded, degraded, cracked, and fell apart. Stereos, speakers, accessories, Hvac, and upholstery were disappointments. I have read some complaints of that sort about Gen5s, but I believe in the main the interior quality is far better than the Camaro history. Today, if you don't build a quality car, it will not sell, there are too many quality choices in the market. |
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I think it's obvious that the 6th gen is going to be based on the incredibly popular 5th gen.
That said, the 2nd gen has always been one of my favorites next to the 1st gen. Some great memories as a teenager with a friend of mine having a '70. Loved the design of that car but it didn't hold up well. Doors too heavy for the hinges, rust, dash coming apart, etc.. I would love to see a modern day version of the 2nd gen done up well. |
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