05-08-2013, 11:44 PM | #673 |
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I'm hoping they love these cars as much as us (I'm sure Fbodfather and the Camaro crew that just gave us a 500 HP Z/28 do). You feel that it will end relatively soon (6th gen) and I think it will continue. You may call me naive, but you are just guessing. One could say you are cynical. I will wait and see. Hopefully with a Z/28 in my driveway. Here's one for ya-- you probably never thought the Camaro would come back after 2002 did ya? With 426 HP no less.
Keep the faith.
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05-09-2013, 06:48 AM | #674 | |
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But hey! I hope youre right and yes I am a little cynical. But realistically, in 2025, 400HP naturally aspirated will be unheard of. It will all come from boost. Wonder how many horses that LSA ZL-1 would have had it not had the S/C on top of it? Its not a bad thing using boost. Its getting small engines up to the performance of larger ones and unless you put your foot in them, they'll do excellent at the pump. THIS is where its going. Gas guzzler taxes will end because they wont produce anything needing it. Many ppl WANT hundreds of HP in their cars getting 50-60mpg. They DONT CARE how its done. But mostly, some ppl dont care about HP vs mpgs. They're tired of handing money over at the pump. More and more are getting to this point. Car manufacturers produce for the masses. Sure, they offer a car for the small % to obtain but overall....
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05-10-2013, 03:05 PM | #675 |
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I know folks may think I'm crazy but I would love to see a very lite weight 6th Gen with a 2.0L turdbo pushing 320-340hp.... I like odd-ball combos which is why I had a 267ci dual carb set-up in my Chevelle for about 10 years... Most would laugh at a 267ci V-8 in a Chevelle but I thought it was cool..
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05-11-2013, 10:20 AM | #676 | |
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That's what modding is for. I'm all for people swapping out their V8s and whatnot and putting in the 2.0 L 4 banger. I just don't think it should come from the factory. You can always upgrade or even downgrade these cars as the mood strikes you. If you like it in your Chevelle, man do your thing. More power to ya.
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05-13-2013, 01:44 PM | #677 |
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I think that they are also considering europe as a market for the camaro and in Europe there is an annual tax mainly based on the cid(cmc) that beeing said it has to be 4 banger and tiny 2 liter. Also in Europe the gas price is a fair big amount double than the price in US so it has to be a high mpg car. In some countrys in Europe the annual tax is approx 2500$ or probably more for the 376 CID(6162CMC)!
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But for those so dead set against a 4 cylinder............. 2014 Audi S3, 298 HP 2.0T with a nice 0 - 60 of 4.6 seconds. Pretty much running with an SS at that point. Granted a transverse FWD architecture with AWD but 3150 pounds and runs like stink. So that would bring us back to simply the feel and sound rather than the performance of the V8 being the question at hand.
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05-17-2013, 07:09 PM | #679 |
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Great 4 cyl camaro's what's next electric and front wheel drive versions.
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05-18-2013, 08:40 AM | #680 | |
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Are you saying you want the Camaro to become a premium Hatchback? That sure ain't gonna be the entry level model. No way they could make and market a premium turbo 4 AND a V8. We might as well start comparing entry level V6 Camaros to Porsche GT3s.
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05-18-2013, 09:21 AM | #681 | |
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If there is a demand, let them do it. If it allows them to keep making V8z, then DEMAND a 4 cyl. You don't have to buy it. The top selling cars are 4 cyl. Why? Transportation. So if the put a 4 cyl in. Who cares. The camaro belonds to GM. Not fans.they are in the business of selling cars. If it doesn't sell, they'll get rid of it. |
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05-18-2013, 11:34 AM | #682 | |
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Just look at the Saturn Sky Redline and the Cobalt Turbo SS. There was a factory tune you could purchase which put those things at nearly 300 HP and 320 TQ. Ford has turbo 4s in Europe pushing numbers like that, and the big rumor for a long while now is that the next Mustang will see a 300+ HP turbo. So I see no problem getting to almost those power numbers you mentioned. But the weight will almost surely be 3,300+ lbs if not closer to 3,400 for a 4 cylinder Camaro, and it won't have that ultra fancy 7 speed dual clutch transmission, so you won't be looking at sub 5 second 0 - 60 numbers, but you can bet it would be well under 6 seconds. I'm not saying I'd buy one or not...just don't know, but saying it wouldn't be enjoyable to drive is just wrong. If it handled decently, it would be a hoot to drive I'm sure.
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05-19-2013, 08:35 AM | #683 |
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If they start turning American muscle into 4 bangers I'm gonna find a new hobby
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05-20-2013, 10:58 AM | #685 |
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Agreed. If they turn it into a European 4 cylinder high revving gas sipping hybrid thingie, I might as well drive a Beemer, or a Honda or something.
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05-21-2013, 04:26 PM | #686 |
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