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But today it means take an anemic 1.4L and boost it so it has decent drivability and great FE. So the 1.4L T in the Sonic and Cruze has a whole different meaning. 2.0T on the other hand is no better than a good V6 for performance. You just have lighter weight and better FE than the 6. Quote:
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02-17-2013, 10:12 AM | #325 | |
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But the smaller Turbos, under 1.5L you are simply getting equivalent performance to the base engine. Using Cruze/Sonic as the example you can get the same HP in either a 1.4L Turbo or a NA 1.8L. But the Turbo is the higher FE engine. So in this case you aren't getting any more driving performance. So it really is about the equivalency the Turbo adds. Look at the 1.6L Turbo GM uses on Opels. That is still not quite the HP as the new NA 2.5L GM has in the Malibu and ATS. But it will get better FE. Ford uses this even more. They have a 1.6L Turbo they put in the new Escape and Fusion. In the Escape that is 178 Hp which is actually higher than the base 2.5L and also gets better FE. Then they add the 2.0L T as the top end choice at 240 HP. The 1.6L T is the best for FE.
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Brother in law had one of those Iron Duke 4 cylinder Camaros. Long on looks, short on performance.
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I'd love a camaro with manual locks, windows, no AC, no Onstar and came with 550+ N/A HP for 30k. A REAL street brawler!
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Let's keep Pony Cars what they are. We've all seen the numerous V8 vs V6 arguments, but the fact is both sides have to agree to the simple fact: Those engines were both there from the start. You could get a 1964 1/2 Mustang with a V6 or a V8, and you could get a 1967 Camaro with a V6 or V8. Neither car had a 4-cylinder option. You want a 4-banger, fine. But dont call it a Camaro because its not. Do what Ford did in the 1980s with the Probe. Design a new model car for those clamoring for a 4-cylder Pony Car. But remember, the Ford Probe was a failure.
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There were no V6's in the first gens, in fact they didn't exist at all ...
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There were no I-4s in any of them, either.
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http://www.firstgencamaro.com/1967.html So did the 1964 1/2 Mustang. http://www.mustangspecs.com/years/64-65.shtml I see you're playing semantics, but I think everyone (including you) sees my point.
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Maybe if they had a turbo 4 back then they would have???
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So did the Vette and T-Bird ... Your point is what ? You don't like it so nobody should have it ... FYI ... I didn't have to Google it, I was alive and well back then.
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My point is exactly what I said it was. If GM wants to have a 4-cylinder option, design a new model like Ford did with the Probe, but dont call it a Camaro.
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The point also is you said it didn't exist, I was alive then too so? Instead of making a snarky comment, how about he was right on a well known Camaro fact?
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