[Stew]

Originally Posted by Wesman

Exactly.

Which means its still an overpriced Korean piece of crap that will have no resale value within a year and will fall apart at 100,000 miles, which coincides with when the powertrain warranty expires.

Hyundai is high on the hog right now because stupid Americans are spending millions of dollars buying their piece of shit cars based purely on styling and the fact that they are cheap. They are essentially disposable cars, and always have been. But with all the recent advertising and the whole Hyundai "brand image" change, they are selling like crazy.

Anyone who has worked on a Hyundai can tell you what underengineered pieces of shit they are. Literally built to last long enough to get you off the dealers lot. The metal used to build them is also atrocious, basically recycled tin cans, the exhausts and body panels rot out quicker than you can burn a tank of gas

What also cracks me up is the Genesis sedan. Why buy a Mercedes-Benz or BMW when you could spend just as much or more on a HYUNDAI?? The people who buy those things must be some kind of retarded.

You keep saying this, It is all BS and you provide proof. Talking about the Metal they use for instance... FYI, most of their newer cars are running high amts of high quality high strength steel. Maybe their drivetrains with their direct injection, 6 speed automatics, turbo tech is just second rate, oh wait.......

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by Stew

The point was that the pricing is correct and competitive with the Camaro V6, not the SS

Yes...so competitive it's not selling.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Yes...so competitive it's not selling.

I think that has more to do with no advertising and people not knowing it exists and it is still a small sports car (some 10 inches shorter than the Camaro) and was never meant to sell as many of the Camaro or Mustang How many are selling each month anyways?

[Txmxracer]

Originally Posted by Stew

I think that has more to do with no advertising and people not knowing it exists and it is still a small sports car (some 10 inches shorter than the Camaro) and was never meant to sell as many of the Camaro or Mustang How many are selling each month anyways?

I think people know it exists. I have friends that are not car guys and they know about the car. They just think other cars are better for the money like the Camaro and Mustang. You can get powerful and dependable V-8's for only a couple thousand more than the V-6 in the Genesis. So you will be out a few features that maybe get used a few times. Guess what? You use the engine everytime you drive anywhere. It is the cars BIGGEST feature. Plus you will still have all of the necesary/basic features like air conditioning, a radio, OnStar, cruise control, and fog lights.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Txmxracer

I think people know it exists. I have friends that are not car guys and they know about the car. They just think other cars are better for the money like the Camaro and Mustang. You can get powerful and dependable V-8's for only a couple thousand more than the V-6 in the Genesis. So you will be out a few features that maybe get used a few times. Guess what? You use the engine everytime you drive anywhere. It is the cars BIGGEST feature. Plus you will still have all of the necesary/basic features like air conditioning, a radio, OnStar, cruise control, and fog lights.

Then why are 50% of the Camaros sales V6s and probably the same or more of Mustang Sales? And why would alot of those sold MSRP for the same price or higher than the Genesis R spec? The Genesis V6 handily outperformas the Camaro V6, but I will say a V6 Mustang with the performance package is probably the best performaer and value of all the V6 2+2s. I do believe the fact it is a hyundai and their stigma does not help, but that is not the fault of the car itself. it is a good performance for a good price, period. And yes 4000-5000 can make a huge difference on a payment so it is a factor.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by Stew

I think that has more to do with no advertising and people not knowing it exists and it is still a small sports car (some 10 inches shorter than the Camaro) and was never meant to sell as many of the Camaro or Mustang How many are selling each month anyways?

Hard to tell as Hyundai combines both Genesis coupe and sedan in their sales numbers. Based on this press release, Hyundai sold 3,253 in August 2011. Compare to 6,823 Camaro's, 5,718 Mustang's and 4,174 Challengers in the same month. My gut feeling is, the majority of those 3,253 Genesis' are sedans.

Originally Posted by Stew

Then why are 50% of the Camaros sales V6s and probably the same or more of Mustang Sales? And why would alot of those sold MSRP for the same price or higher than the Genesis R spec? The Genesis V6 handily outperformas the Camaro V6, but I will say a V6 Mustang with the performance package is probably the best performaer and value of all the V6 2+2s. I do believe the fact it is a hyundai and their stigma does not help, but that is not the fault of the car itself. it is a good performance for a good price, period. And yes 4000-5000 can make a huge difference on a payment so it is a factor.

Then sell your baby Jeep and buy one already

[Stew]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Hard to tell as Hyundai combines both Genesis coupe and sedan in their sales numbers. Based on this press release, Hyundai sold 3,253 in August 2011. Compare to 6,823 Camaro's, 5,718 Mustang's and 4,174 Challengers in the same month. My gut feeling is, the majority of those 3,253 Genesis' are sedans.



Then sell your baby Jeep and buy one already

I am patiently waiting thanks much I didn't say I wanted a Genesis, though i do like them. I am still trying to decide what i want to trade it for, when I think I have made up my mind there is an announcemnt of something updated or new coming out that gets my interest and yes the 2013 Genesis Update is one of them as is the 2012 Elantra Coupe which is supposed to get it's own Turbo R version (gonna be a 12 month driver after all). i am also likeing Buicks upcoming version of the Cruze (Verona) and the rumor it may get the turbo motor from the Regal GS, this is the Camaro, Mustang, and Challenger too. I just can't decide lol.

[Txmxracer]

Originally Posted by Stew

Then why are 50% of the Camaros sales V6s and probably the same or more of Mustang Sales? And why would alot of those sold MSRP for the same price or higher than the Genesis R spec? The Genesis V6 handily outperformas the Camaro V6, but I will say a V6 Mustang with the performance package is probably the best performaer and value of all the V6 2+2s. I do believe the fact it is a hyundai and their stigma does not help, but that is not the fault of the car itself. it is a good performance for a good price, period. And yes 4000-5000 can make a huge difference on a payment so it is a factor.

The sales can be this way because of a couple things. Cost is a big one. So is maintenance, gas mileage, and ride quality. I think that the Camaro is sold for a higher price is because of a superior chassis, huge R+D costs, more safety features (I am not sure about this one), and things like that. I also wouldn't say that the Genesis handily beats the Camaro. It may beat it, by not by too much. You are definatly correct that the stigma of the car being a Hyundai doesn't help. Also, when comparing a loaded Genesis to a base Camaro V-8, it is not 4000-5000. This is what I was talking about when I was talking about features.

[GEEo]

still a hyundai.

[Txmxracer]

Originally Posted by Stew

I am patiently waiting thanks much I didn't say I wanted a Genesis, though i do like them. I am still trying to decide what i want to trade it for, when I think I have made up my mind there is an announcemnt of something updated or new coming out that gets my interest and yes the 2013 Genesis Update is one of them as is the 2012 Elantra Coupe which is supposed to get it's own Turbo R version (gonna be a 12 month driver after all). i am also likeing Buicks upcoming version of the Cruze (Verona) and the rumor it may get the turbo motor from the Regal GS, this is the Camaro, Mustang, and Challenger too. I just can't decide lol.

There are a ton of good cars out there! Good luck coming to a decision.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by Stew

I am patiently waiting thanks much I didn't say I wanted a Genesis, though i do like them. I am still trying to decide what i want to trade it for, when I think I have made up my mind there is an announcemnt of something updated or new coming out that gets my interest and yes the 2013 Genesis Update is one of them as is the 2012 Elantra Coupe which is supposed to get it's own Turbo R version (gonna be a 12 month driver after all). i am also likeing Buicks upcoming version of the Cruze (Verona) and the rumor it may get the turbo motor from the Regal GS, this is the Camaro, Mustang, and Challenger too. I just can't decide lol.

LOL there is always something better juuust around the corner. You have to find that special something you just can't live without. Is it going to be perfect? No. Will something come out next year you could see yourself driving? Yes. At some point you have to jump in. If you're a car enthusiast (and it sounds like you are), life is too short to drive anything that doesn't put a smile on your face every time you get behind the wheel.

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by Stew

You keep saying this, It is all BS and you provide proof. Talking about the Metal they use for instance... FYI, most of their newer cars are running high amts of high quality high strength steel. Maybe their drivetrains with their direct injection, 6 speed automatics, turbo tech is just second rate, oh wait.......

You are an internet fanboy and have no concept of what is going on in the real world. Hyundai can talk the talk but when it comes down to it they have an inferior product in terms of quality and engineering.

You are the same exact type of person that would have probably said cigarettes can't cause cancer because Camel Joe said so

Keep believing Hyundai's bullshit, jokes on you.

The bottom line is Hyundai can't sell a car for such a low price while giving you all those features if costs aren't cut somewhere. And just like the rest of the Asian manufacturers, they cut costs where people don't see it - in the powertrain, chassis, brake system, and steel quality.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Wesman

You are an internet fanboy and have no concept of what is going on in the real world. Hyundai can talk the talk but when it comes down to it they have an inferior product in terms of quality and engineering.

You are the same exact type of person that would have probably said cigarettes can't cause cancer because Camel Joe said so

Keep believing Hyundai's bullshit, jokes on you.

The bottom line is Hyundai can't sell a car for such a low price while giving you all those features if costs aren't cut somewhere. And just like the rest of the Asian manufacturers, they cut costs where people don't see it - in the powertrain, chassis, brake system, and steel quality.

You still haven't provided any proof. Anywho, hardly a fanboy, I just respect cars that deserve it and Hyundai has made a competitive and sporty car with the Genesis coupe. It just happens we are in a true performance high water mark right now and the Koreans are jumping in the game with good, high quality vehicles and even some impreesive performance machines covering all categories (Veloster Turbo, Genesis coupe, Genesis RSpec sedan).

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by Stew

You still haven't provided any proof. Anywho, hardly a fanboy, I just respect cars that deserve it and Hyundai has made a competitive and sporty car with the Genesis coupe. It just happens we are in a true performance high water mark right now and the Koreans are jumping in the game with good, high quality vehicles and even some impreesive performance machines covering all categories (Veloster Turbo, Genesis coupe, Genesis RSpec sedan).

HERES THE PROBLEM.

They are not "good, high quality vehicles".

Hyundai puts on a good show with their BS advertising, but their cars are still garbage underneath.

If someone sponsored a side by side tear-down of a Camaro vs. Genesis Coupe the results would be astounding and hilarious. The piss poor quality of Hyundai's parts and engineering would show through immediately, like all the chassis components where GM uses cast aluminum and Hyundai uses stamped mild steel. Hyundai is a joke, and you're playing their game, too bad the joke is on you

Here's one example out of thousands:

Hyundais piece of shit 6" rear differential with cast iron housing:



GM's all aluminum 8.5" Camaro differential with all aluminum housing:



Yet you can get a Camaro SS for the same price as a Genesis Coupe 3.8