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Would GM have lost a ton of money if the new Blazer was built off the Colorado chassis? Maybe, maybe not. They could have still sold the Blazer as another badge and still made that money. With the popularity of the 4Runner, a GM option would likely do well. The Bronco shows there is a market, but GM chose not to pursue it.
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The second element that seems to be missing is enthusiasm, in the form of excitement, lust, aspiration. Long gone from the company's portfolio are products that used to inspire all of these feelings of enthusiasm. From the innocence of Chevelle, the sense of upward mobility from Buick and Oldsmobile, the sense of achievement from Cadillac. For specific models, the mystery of desire and lust from Caprice!, Impala, Wildcat, Electra 225. The last element missed is the sense of effortless logic and timeless style; Properly exemplified by Oldsmobile Cutlass, Buick Century, and later Chevrolet Monte Carlo. It is the essential absence of these aspects that has GM in its predicament right now. There is little that is special with GM's portfolio, and anyone can buy products from its competitors that can match and even excel with current goals of today's car market. I am afraid that if GM continues with its current business "think" it will one day face extinction, being shut out of business, much the same way as once great businesses have now been shuttered in other markets. Think of the late, great Sears, Roebuck and Co., JCPenney, and many of their contemporaries being wiped out of existence by competitors with better and more profitable business plans: Amazon, Costco, WalMart. Interesting to ponder.
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Outside of the Corvette there’s not a single car GM makes now that anyone gives a damn about. Cadillac Blackwing V’s are unknown to anyone but enthusiasts and those are going away too. Just more boring inverted electric toasters sailing around silently is all GM will be in the next few years. But Queen Mary is not the tree huggers sycophant. Or so certain members of this forum want to keep telling me.
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Even Toyota is making inspiring cars now. You can get a sporty Corolla, the GR86, and the Supra all with manual transmissions. Even the all new Tacoma!! Which, let’s be honest, blows away the Colorado in performance, style, and reliability to begin with. And they’ve said they are NOT going all-electric! Imagine that. Toyota of all companies making the kind of cars GM USED to make. Decorum is for the king and Queen of England. This is America. We don’t f around.
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Don't get ahead of yourself patting Toyota on the back. Tacoma is their strong point, those others are reversible low commitment steps to show other JDM makes who's head honcho. The Supra is a BMW. The 86 is a Subaru, and below potential by hierarchy. Toyota has a stake there, and has them bowed and shuffling backwards. Subaru had the better sounding of the 4's, and now a stagnant STi is gone. Every company messes up innovating appeal technology design, to varying degrees. Thinking for ways to grow enthusiast segments is still missing. |
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Haven’t you figured it out yet? GM is now the cancel culture company, and Toyota is now what GM was 30 years ago. Think about it. Mary Barra: “We’ll be all electric by 2035.”….. cancels Camaro and pretty much any other car with a soul Akio Toyoda: “We’re done building boring cars” AND “100% electric is not a sustainable business model for the future” - committed to offering some form of gas engine in some combination for the future. And making fun cars to drive. Which company sounds like they’re aligning themselves with the safety pin, cancel culture now?
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Edit: Just looked up their GR86. Oooh, yeah, 6+ seconds to 60 gets me breathing real heavy. Or a fast Corolla...now I'm really pitchin' a tent. Nope. Wait...don't tell me...you wanna slap a "Coexist" sticker on the back of a new Prius so hard. I knew it. |
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Hey man you and I are both on the same side with everything if you know what I mean. I’m not “the enemy” here. What do you think is under the hood of the Colorado? The base engine in Silverados? A V6? Better check again. Besides, the turbo 4 in the 4Runner is more powerful than the outgoing V6. More power and torque. Turbos are great for torque. Plus you can easily get even more power by simply installing a larger intercooler which for sure will be available in the aftermarket shortly. So you’re still missing the point. Direct the anger you misjudged me with toward General Motors and Queen Mary. Thats the enemy here. I want to buy GM. I want to support an American company. What the heck am I driving right now? That’s the whole point of this. Queen Mary is going to be making electric toaster ovens while Toyota will be making cool cars you want to buy. Unless you look forward to more variations on the Ultimium platform……. Ooooh
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And no, I don't need to be schooled on turbo 4-cylinders. I've got one of those too. Putting these into Jeeps and full-size trucks, midsize trucks, and SUV's is a sign of the times: ICV's are reaching peak efficiency and output. GM still makes amazing full-size trucks, a better midsize than the Tacoma - still. The Corvette still exists, delivering mid-engine supercar performance for as little as about $75k. Do I think GM still needs another enthusiast car? Sure. But I'm not going to cry for GM about the fact that Toyota just put out a new truck and SUV after literally, almost two decades for the truck. The rest of their lineup is absolutely under-powered flan, as it has been, for a long time. |
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