[mariojas]

Originally Posted by AZIROC

** to get back on track some. I've found the app "Track Addict" is pretty accurate. If you grt a phone mount, you could also use your phone to record video.

I liked de-railing to move out from MI lol.

This Track Addict takes data from OBD, does it log stuff like PDR? Or at least some of that?

[TXCSSU]

Originally Posted by Phil zl1

You dont need Nav you have apple car play .

If he's as old as I am....

[mariojas]

Well I reserved Riverside blue M6 with no PDR and no navigation, with red stuff inside (knee pads and seat belts). I am not sold on the color (too popular?) but I will take a look at it tomorrow. I will probably forget I wanted orange once I see it in person, lol.
Not set in stone though, as I don't know the price till tomorrow. Dealership site says few k under MSRP which sounds suspicious, lol.

[mariojas]

Originally Posted by TXCSSU

If he's as old as I am....

I used that marvel few times in my life. But I don't think I am "that old".

[TXCSSU]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Everyone who doesn't have it is basically gonna make it sound like it is worthless trash. Just like the mentality with any option. If it's not on my car then its crap.

PDR is amazing just having it there even if you don't use it often. Its a cool feature and I'm glad mine came with it. I never ordered my ZL1. It was already ordered with every available option in 2017. I would have bought it even if it didn't have nav and PDR. Matter of fact, I didn't even realize it had PDR or even know what PDR was until a few weeks after I bought the car. But boy am I happy it has it. I use it sometimes and then just watch the video and I enjoy it.

Nav is awesome too. I've never updated mine and it is spot on after 5 years of ownership. I put in an address and it takes me right there to the door.

So not for nothin, if you're considering it, then you're likely not gonna be happy without it. So I say get it. Having it and not wanting it is better than wanting it and not having it.

The same can be said for those that have a certain feature will think it's the best feature since sliced bread. I swear that's how I feel about ventilated seats, but not everyone likes them. I like seeing the footage of my drives as well, but get them courtesy of my dashcam, so I can see why that aspect of the PDR is liked. I chose not to get it for one simple reason, it was constrained. PDR or no PDR, doesn't matter if you don't have the car in the first place.

Originally Posted by mariojas

I used that marvel few times in my life. But I don't think I am "that old".

Lol, me neither until my barber the other day freaked out when I told her how old I had just turned. She acted like I just showed her a dinosaur egg....

[zxspeedspec]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

Maybe help those out that want to be educated instead of being a speed bump. Where did you read that the PDR has low data input?

The entirety of human knowledge at our fingertips and you trust a stranger to research for you...

1. PDR logs at 5hz
2. Just about any aftermarket system (not even professional grade commercial units) log at 10hz
3. F1 logs at over 200hz, they will every once in a while bring out 10hz specific sensors to look for vibration in the chassis/etc, but their accelerator, 3-axis gyroscope, brake pedal, engine speed, etc. are logged at 200hz

If you've ever driven a chicane on a track or even some aggressive esses and then tried to plot a 5hz datalog over time to see where you can improve, you'll see huge gaps to the point it's useless. The factory PDR can help you out on the major corners leading up to and exiting main straights, but on any technical you might as well trial and error with a stopwatch to see how to improve.

My car came with the PDR and it's been used a grand total of 1x. The interface sucks ass and isn't nearly as automatic as it should be. On the other hand my Garmin Catalyst is almost fire and forget. Then I email the data off to my remote coach and he'll give me timestamps and feedback of what I need to be doing.

[zxspeedspec]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Everyone who doesn't have it is basically gonna make it sound like it is worthless trash. Just like the mentality with any option. If it's not on my car then its crap.

This is the most childish philosophy I've ever heard. I guess everyone that intentionally didn't want a convertible must think all convertibles are crap instead of the convertible wasn't fit for their needs?

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by zxspeedspec

This is the most childish philosophy I've ever heard. I guess everyone that intentionally didn't want a convertible must think all convertibles are crap instead of the convertible wasn't fit for their needs?

Let me guess, you don't have PDR and it is worthless.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by TXCSSU

The same can be said for those that have a certain feature will think it's the best feature since sliced bread. I swear that's how I feel about ventilated seats, but not everyone likes them. I like seeing the footage of my drives as well, but get them courtesy of my dashcam, so I can see why that aspect of the PDR is liked. I chose not to get it for one simple reason, it was constrained. PDR or no PDR, doesn't matter if you don't have the car in the first place.






Lol, me neither until my barber the other day freaked out when I told her how old I had just turned. She acted like I just showed her a dinosaur egg....

It actually is a mindset that people have. Many people on here have that mindset. You can tell by the comments. Another mindset is that if a person is asking about a specific option, then chances are they will not be satisfied if they buy a car that doesn't have that option. Which is why I tell people, especially if you're spending $70K or more on a car, get it with the options you want. Except for color unless it's something that you absolutely don't want or absolutely do want. If you want PDR and you're spending this much on a car, then get PDR. Same with Nav, sunroof, etc. But it's his money and his choice...

[AZIROC]

Originally Posted by mariojas

I liked de-railing to move out from MI lol.

This Track Addict takes data from OBD, does it log stuff like PDR? Or at least some of that?

The version I have is just the cell phone app that works off GPS. I believe its part of HP tuners, or some kind of program like that, where IF you wanted to go the OBDII route, you can for more data. I just downloaded the app and would hit the red button on top. It would then magically know where u were and doblap times.

[zxspeedspec]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Let me guess, you don't have PDR and it is worthless.

Apparently you also never graduated from 3rd grade reading comprehension. Pathetic troll attempt.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by zxspeedspec

Apparently you also never graduated from 3rd grade reading comprehension. Pathetic troll attempt.

Do you have a ZL1? If so, does your ZL1 have PDR and/or Nav?

[zxspeedspec]

Yes, it has both. I've used both exactly 1 time. GPS still thought my house was an empty field and the PDR sucked ass. Replaced both with Android Auto and a Garmin Catalyst. If you have a ZL1 and can't afford a serious datalogger, you didn't need a ZL1 with PDR for track days to begin with, you were never that serious and the PDR was just to share a "cool" pre-rendered video.

Notice how the GM lap record for Nurburgring didn't use their shitty PDR? Yeah, it's because that would've reverse marketed the car.

[Vigilante375]

Originally Posted by zxspeedspec

The entirety of human knowledge at our fingertips and you trust a stranger to research for you...

1. PDR logs at 5hz
2. Just about any aftermarket system (not even professional grade commercial units) log at 10hz
3. F1 logs at over 200hz, they will every once in a while bring out 10hz specific sensors to look for vibration in the chassis/etc, but their accelerator, 3-axis gyroscope, brake pedal, engine speed, etc. are logged at 200hz

If you've ever driven a chicane on a track or even some aggressive esses and then tried to plot a 5hz datalog over time to see where you can improve, you'll see huge gaps to the point it's useless. The factory PDR can help you out on the major corners leading up to and exiting main straights, but on any technical you might as well trial and error with a stopwatch to see how to improve.

My car came with the PDR and it's been used a grand total of 1x. The interface sucks ass and isn't nearly as automatic as it should be. On the other hand my Garmin Catalyst is almost fire and forget. Then I email the data off to my remote coach and he'll give me timestamps and feedback of what I need to be doing.

You know, instead of trying to belittle other members and act like you know everything....which you don't. How about you actually help and be informative instead of saying "Da PDR is crap and mah phon loggs mawr data's!"? There's no reason to keep putting in sly comments when you should back up the BS that comes out of your head.

And like I said, if anyone is going to try and improve their times on a track. You dont need EVERY millisecond of data to see where you can improve.

Yes, the PDR isn't great as other telemetry loggers but it is something that can still give you piece's of information on where you can improve while sitting in your car.

Thanks for letting me what I already know about F1 and what I didn't know about the "crappy ass" PDR that I enjoy using in my ZL1 on and off the track.