[Number 3]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Am I the only one that wants to tell GM to stuff their Farewell Special-Edition Package up their a@@?

The Camaro team designed a world class sports car in the Alpha Camaro and earn kudos from enthusiast and the automotive press. So much goodness

They failed in aspects of its execution and never cared enough to market it. GM is walking away and their competition isn't (Ford/Dodge). The C8 has 10x the driving compromise so it isn't the answer.

I know ...sign of the times. Drive um while you still can

Both of those competitors have made their plans clear as well and it’s electric. They are both walking away, just not as soon.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by ariZona28

Sorry, I don't understand the "I need to have a new car every 3 - 5 years or so" mentality. Why trade in a fantastic car like an '18 ZL1 or a '19 SS when you can own/maintain it for 20 (or more) years and still have the coolest ride in the neighborhood? I'm gonna hang on to my 5th Gens and enjoy. It's kinda nice that there seems to be fewer and fewer of them driving around.

Ok maybe it’s me but when I see a 2000 Camaro, I’m not thinking, “wow there goes the coolest ride in the neighborhood”. I might notice if it’s in great condition for being that old but mostly surprised it’s still on the road.

[CamaroSSStlfan]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Ok maybe it’s me but when I see a 2000 Camaro, I’m not thinking, “wow there goes the coolest ride in the neighborhood”. I might notice if it’s in great condition for being that old but mostly surprised it’s still on the road.

I still notice the late 90s, early 2000s Z28s and SSs on the road. I don't see many v6 RS ones though.

Believe it or not a low miles Z28 or SS from the late 90s and early 2000s I've seen for as high as 30 grand!

I turn 38 in a month and when I was in high school everyone like the TransAm and the SS/z28 That was the fast car back then.

If I had the money and could get a decent one for like 14k I'd do it. They're still quick cars and as a beater toy to drive around I wouldn't mind it.

[Hops]

Originally Posted by redcoats1976

why not buy an RS for your daily and limit miles on your current car?

This is a really good idea to think about!

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by CamaroSSStlfan

I still notice the late 90s, early 2000s Z28s and SSs on the road. I don't see many v6 RS ones though.

Believe it or not a low miles Z28 or SS from the late 90s and early 2000s I've seen for as high as 30 grand!

I turn 38 in a month and when I was in high school everyone like the TransAm and the SS/z28 That was the fast car back then.

If I had the money and could get a decent one for like 14k I'd do it. They're still quick cars and as a beater toy to drive around I wouldn't mind it.

Don’t disagree with anything in your post. Doesn’t make it the coolest ride in your neighborhood though. JMO

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Both of those competitors have made their plans clear as well and it’s electric. They are both walking away, just not as soon.

Disgusting. Performance cars and exotics eventually going to Duracell power. How much more boring can you get? Dont care if the zero to sixty is 0.1 seconds either. Not the point at all.

The second I see a battery powered Pony car or exotic is when I deem mankind unfit to continue as a species. They've already worked hard to take manual transmissions away and now the !@#$% engines too. . Just think at cars and coffee shows or cruise nights - all those hoods/trunks open to show you their battery setup. BARF.

[GearheadSS]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

What parts?

1LE splitter, splitter installation hardware, 3.91 rear diff carrier assembly are just a few that I can remember. It's one of the reasons I sold my car. I didn't want to have to deal with the headache of finding a new splitter if I had a front end collision. My splitter was chewed up with rock chips but we couldn't find a new one anywhere in the country.

Our parts manager said they run into this all the time on vehicles that aren't 10 years old yet. Discontinued parts that they have to try and get used or find something aftermarket.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

Disgusting. Performance cars and exotics eventually going to Duracell power. How much more boring can you get? Dont care if the zero to sixty is 0.1 seconds either. Not the point at all.

The second I see a battery powered Pony car or exotic is when I deem mankind unfit to continue as a species. They've already worked hard to take manual transmissions away and now the !@#$% engines too. . Just think at cars and coffee shows or cruise nights - all those hoods/trunks open to show you their battery setup. BARF.

What I predict is that in 10 to 15 years you will think differently, regardless of the response you will soon post.

NVH is not what makes a car great. You can put an exhaust on anything and make it sound great. Anything. GM had demonstrated (internally) a 2.0T Solstice with a tuned intake that you couldn't tell was not a V8. And that was not electronic enhancements like many cars already do today.

It's the overall package that makes a great car. For me, yes I loved the sound of the LS3 in my SS Sedan. Loved it and miss it. But for 95% of my driving my LaCrosse is a farrrrrr better car.

If the only reason you buy a car is for how it sounds, good for you. But I laugh when I hear cars go by at low speeds that sound really $hitty simply because they want a LOUD exhaust all the time. Know anyone that pulls the fuse on the variable exhaust on their Corvette or Camaro? Used to do it on my company cars. HORRID on the highway. Absolutely not commercial.

Read the Rivian reviews. Outstanding off road performance. Maybe setting new standards for the segment.

Yes, I'll miss it too. But it's just such a small part of buying a car. Me? I would never put an exhaust on a car to make it LOUDER but I know that many do.

So JMO.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by Number 3

What I predict is that in 10 to 15 years you will think differently, regardless of the response you will soon post.

NVH is not what makes a car great. You can put an exhaust on anything and make it sound great. Anything. GM had demonstrated (internally) a 2.0T Solstice with a tuned intake that you couldn't tell was not a V8. And that was not electronic enhancements like many cars already do today.

It's the overall package that makes a great car. For me, yes I loved the sound of the LS3 in my SS Sedan. Loved it and miss it. But for 95% of my driving my LaCrosse is a farrrrrr better car.

If the only reason you buy a car is for how it sounds, good for you. But I laugh when I hear cars go by at low speeds that sound really $hitty simply because they want a LOUD exhaust all the time. Know anyone that pulls the fuse on the variable exhaust on their Corvette or Camaro? Used to do it on my company cars. HORRID on the highway. Absolutely not commercial.

Read the Rivian reviews. Outstanding off road performance. Maybe setting new standards for the segment.

Yes, I'll miss it too. But it's just such a small part of buying a car. Me? I would never put an exhaust on a car to make it LOUDER but I know that many do.

So JMO.

Fair enough - I have a right to rant. . I have nothing against electric cars but they are for daily driving, errands, going to work, etc. We will have one in our household very soon too. But, I am not interested in having a battery powered toy. Its just not my thing.

Sound isnt the only reason to buy a car(well, maybe the Ferrari F355 ) Buts is clearly a tangible piece of the puzzle. I hate loud, obnoxious exhausts and would never have one myself so I agree there. But, I do like petrol engines in my sports/toy cars.

Also, many car hobbyists like to tweak, modify, etc their engines. Where is the hands on stuff with a battery? Sorry, I'm old school and I highly doubt Ill change my mind in 10-15 years. Why would I? I just dont see it happening. Also, just my opinion here. All good, mate!

[19formula93]

Originally Posted by CamaroSSStlfan

I still notice the late 90s, early 2000s Z28s and SSs on the road. I don't see many v6 RS ones though.

Believe it or not a low miles Z28 or SS from the late 90s and early 2000s I've seen for as high as 30 grand!

I turn 38 in a month and when I was in high school everyone like the TransAm and the SS/z28 That was the fast car back then.

If I had the money and could get a decent one for like 14k I'd do it. They're still quick cars and as a beater toy to drive around I wouldn't mind it.

I've got a 2002 Z with just shy of 1,800 miles on it I acquired back in '17. At this point, I either need to put it up in the rafters and wait another few years to offload, or just simply start driving it like it was intended. Haven't had much success with selling (though I suppose I haven't tried all that hard).

Playing the waiting game on a '22 LT1 Convertible, myself. 3100 with TPW of 10/18 as of yesterday.

[Nilly Welson]

Its what happens when ass holes run your company.

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

Fair enough - I have a right to rant. . I have nothing against electric cars but they are for daily driving, errands, going to work, etc. We will have one in our household very soon too. But, I am not interested in having a battery powered toy. Its just not my thing.

Sound isnt the only reason to buy a car(well, maybe the Ferrari F355 ) Buts is clearly a tangible piece of the puzzle. I hate loud, obnoxious exhausts and would never have one myself so I agree there. But, I do like petrol engines in my sports/toy cars.

Also, many car hobbyists like to tweak, modify, etc their engines. Where is the hands on stuff with a battery? Sorry, I'm old school and I highly doubt Ill change my mind in 10-15 years. Why would I? I just dont see it happening. Also, just my opinion here. All good, mate!

Agree with your opinion there. If I am driving, I want something that I am looking forward to driving.

Otherwise, I will take public transit or bicycle. EV doesn't solve a lot of the issues with driving IMO. Public transit and bicycle do. No more dealing with traffic, no more parking.

[Staves]

You need to find a silver lining: I've heard the Kia Rio has no plans for departing any time soon!

[KenMaro]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

Disgusting. Performance cars and exotics eventually going to Duracell power. How much more boring can you get? Dont care if the zero to sixty is 0.1 seconds either. Not the point at all.

The second I see a battery powered Pony car or exotic is when I deem mankind unfit to continue as a species. They've already worked hard to take manual transmissions away and now the !@#$% engines too. . Just think at cars and coffee shows or cruise nights - all those hoods/trunks open to show you their battery setup. BARF.

Technology and time aren't waiting around for anyone. I would imagine over a hundred years ago there were people sitting around a saloon saying something along the lines of, "Take away my real pony for that machine? Mankind doesn't need a machine to get me from point A to point B. My horse and I can do it, I don't care how fast it can travel either. Nothing like man and horse on the trail." Or perhaps pilots talking about how "real flying" doesn't require jet propulsion to keep them aloft.

It kind of comes back to that old cliche, "That isn't music!" Older generations will always have trouble adapting while younger generations grow up with whatever is pushing the future, be it travel technology, medical technology, music, mathematics, whatever the case may be. The good news is none of us is living forever. Live a good life and have some fun. Slow down, look around at what you already have done and can do. Don't let negative thoughts turn you sour, we only get this one life don't waste it being angry. Especially don't waste it being angry at something you can't control... none of us is going to stop time and progress.