[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by bradmo9

https://youtu.be/fZ311nFWNPQ


10.55 stock not bad

I was going to post this but realized it wasn't completely stock; passenger seat delete, resonator delete, and supposedly a tire (not sure about that, mentioned by someone else). 10.55 would have been the stock record but it wasn't stock.

This is a nice video for TreedYou to watch going back to our earlier conversation about consistency of automatic cars. Car is automatic and has launch control but et's ranged from one 10.55 to 11.0-11.18 on a private track rental with great prep, 60 foots ranged from 1.7 to 2.0s.

[bradmo9]

In test and tune session they’re not trying to be consistent. I’m sure just like I do they change launch rpm, burnout technic , tire pressure etc in between runs to try to go faster. Sometimes it works sometimes you go slower.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by bradmo9

In test and tune session they’re not trying to be consistent. I’m sure just like I do they change launch rpm, burnout technic , tire pressure etc in between runs to try to go faster. Sometimes it works sometimes you go slower.

They were obviously going for the best times man. It was a "test and tune" while trying to beat the other car and do the best the car can. He's run the car quite a few times already before this. I'm sure if he could have, he would have replicated that 10.55 for the 4th and final run as well.

You don't have to come to it's defense, I'm not shitting on the gt500 and saying it's an inconsistent car or anything, but any high horsepower rwd trying to push a pb can vary to some degree due to the launch and how well it hooks. Even autos to a lesser degree than manuals.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

I was going to post this but realized it wasn't completely stock; passenger seat delete, resonator delete, and supposedly a tire (not sure about that, mentioned by someone else). 10.55 would have been the stock record but it wasn't stock.

This is a nice video for TreedYou to watch going back to our earlier conversation about consistency of automatic cars. Car is automatic and has launch control but et's ranged from one 10.55 to 11.0-11.18 on a private track rental with great prep, 60 foots ranged from 1.7 to 2.0s.

I do not think it is an automatic thing. I think it is a Mustang thing. They clearly are very inconsistent to large degrees. My ZL1 is auto and I stayed within 2 tenths each time I went to the track. My SS was a manual trans and I was always within 3 tenths at the track. Now not only are we seeing a wide variance in these Mustangs but we're seeing it on the same track with the same driver. And on a prepped track.

[bradmo9]

It’s not a mustang thing, if you drag race you try something different each pass to make your time better sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t. Especially on private rental or test and tune. Plenty of videos of all makes models running running all over the map.

A lot goes into run track prep, tire pressure, DA , sun out or not, launch rpm, did a slick car just run in front of you, is it mostly a street tire night. A lot that’s why times can vary.

This is with ever car I’ve owned from z06 to f150.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by bradmo9

It’s not a mustang thing, if you drag race you try something different each pass to make your time better sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t. Especially on private rental or test and tune. Plenty of videos of all makes models running running all over the map.

You won't vary by that much from trying different modes. If you do then you have no idea what you're doing. You might see a tenth or two.

These GT500s are all over the place. I could see if the skill level between drivers was different. But these guys are all on the same level and their times are ranging by a full second or more.

Originally Posted by bradmo9

A lot goes into run track prep, tire pressure, DA , sun out or not, launch rpm, did a slick car just run in front of you, is it mostly a street tire night. A lot that’s why times can vary.

This is with ever car I’ve owned from z06 to f150.

Well that certainly sounds like something I said which all the Mustang guys immediately disagreed with. The GT500s seem very prone to inconsistencies. Even on the same track with the same driver on the same day and in the same conditions. The only times I saw anything more than a difference of 3 tenths was if I screwed up the launch or didn't shift properly. That is driver error. If there is no driver error then there should not be such a wide variance. The only way that could happen outside of driver error is if something is wrong with the car.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Does anyone know the outcome of the GT500 vs the STi?


Ford cannot battle the Vette. The GT500 at $94K can't even beat the C7 Z06 and can barely take on the C8 Z51. The $450K Ford GT is barely a match for the C7 ZR1. And they're having a hard enough time as it is trying to beat the Camaro. If anything they should be steering clear of the Vette.

The STI in that comparo listed at 64K....that is insane lol.

They didn't get into any numbers, just how the cars were out on the roads.

Basically they really liked the STI, but said its price tag is really high for what feels like just an updated WRX but said GT500 puts the Mustang in places it's never been.

Ford's never really had a Corvette competitor so I think they just shoot their shot with the Mustang

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

You won't vary by that much from trying different modes. If you do then you have no idea what you're doing. You might see a tenth or two.

These GT500s are all over the place. I could see if the skill level between drivers was different. But these guys are all on the same level and their times are ranging by a full second or more.


Well that certainly sounds like something I said which all the Mustang guys immediately disagreed with. The GT500s seem very prone to inconsistencies. Even on the same track with the same driver on the same day and in the same conditions. The only times I saw anything more than a difference of 3 tenths was if I screwed up the launch or didn't shift properly. That is driver error. If there is no driver error then there should not be such a wide variance. The only way that could happen outside of driver error is if something is wrong with the car.

yeah the GT500 times are all over the place. I have no idea if its people trying different techniques, people used to traditional autos or what but times are all over the place. Are they shifting themselves, letting teh DCT do the work? Cars only been out in public a few months maybe let people get some seat time.

I'd have to imagine trying different things in a car with that much power could easily lead to bigger variances. Or techniques that used to work in one car might not work as well in another. In my 04, I always got my best times just flashing the converter but in my 07 I had to foot brake to around 1200.

[TheRealJA105]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Does anyone know the outcome of the GT500 vs the STi?


Ford cannot battle the Vette. The GT500 at $94K can't even beat the C7 Z06 and can barely take on the C8 Z51. The $450K Ford GT is barely a match for the C7 ZR1. And they're having a hard enough time as it is trying to beat the Camaro. If anything they should be steering clear of the Vette.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...february-2020/
I love when the Ford fanbois bring up the GT should be compared to the vette whenever someone compares a vette to a GT500. When you can buy 3 C7ZR1s and a C8 for the price of one GT you can't compare those cars, except the fact that the ZR1 still beats the GT.

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

They were obviously going for the best times man. It was a "test and tune" while trying to beat the other car and do the best the car can. He's run the car quite a few times already before this. I'm sure if he could have, he would have replicated that 10.55 for the 4th and final run as well.

You don't have to come to it's defense, I'm not shitting on the gt500 and saying it's an inconsistent car or anything, but any high horsepower rwd trying to push a pb can vary to some degree due to the launch and how well it hooks. Even autos to a lesser degree than manuals.

RIGHT!

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I do not think it is an automatic thing. I think it is a Mustang thing. They clearly are very inconsistent to large degrees. My ZL1 is auto and I stayed within 2 tenths each time I went to the track. My SS was a manual trans and I was always within 3 tenths at the track. Now not only are we seeing a wide variance in these Mustangs but we're seeing it on the same track with the same driver. And on a prepped track.

WRONG!

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

You won't vary by that much from trying different modes. If you do then you have no idea what you're doing. You might see a tenth or two.

These GT500s are all over the place. I could see if the skill level between drivers was different. But these guys are all on the same level and their times are ranging by a full second or more.

Well that certainly sounds like something I said which all the Mustang guys immediately disagreed with. The GT500s seem very prone to inconsistencies. Even on the same track with the same driver on the same day and in the same conditions. The only times I saw anything more than a difference of 3 tenths was if I screwed up the launch or didn't shift properly. That is driver error. If there is no driver error then there should not be such a wide variance. The only way that could happen outside of driver error is if something is wrong with the car.

Everything is in the launch which can be easily blown in any car, especially high horsepower rwd cars.

[waterman]

Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...february-2020/
I love when the Ford fanbois bring up the GT should be compared to the vette whenever someone compares a vette to a GT500. When you can buy 3 C7ZR1s and a C8 for the price of one GT you can't compare those cars, except the fact that the ZR1 still beats the GT.

Likely why Ford Performance has completely pulled out of IMSA/FIA GTLM.

If I can't win, I'm taking my ball and going home.

Unfortunately, we all lose when the competition is reduced. Especially given Ford's history in endurance racing. Even Ferrari has reduced their presence.

With that said, IMHO C8.R faired well at Rolex 24. Pit time killed them but the pace of the #3 car was impressive. They posted the second fastest lap in GTLM. #4 struggled bit but had mostly great pace as well.

I digress, slightly off topic.

[ST1LE]

Saw my first GT500 in the wild on my way home Friday, right in my neighborhood.

Was all black so hard to see all the details in design. At first I could only tell it was a Shelby, but as I got closer I could see the hood scoop and it was clear it was a 500.

Sounded great, was under light throttle and still sounded really nice. Best sounding stock Mustang I have heard for sure. Good looking car, sinister as hell in black.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

Saw my first GT500 in the wild on my way home Friday, right in my neighborhood.

Was all black so hard to see all the details in design. At first I could only tell it was a Shelby, but as I got closer I could see the hood scoop and it was clear it was a 500.

Sounded great, was under light throttle and still sounded really nice. Best sounding stock Mustang I have heard for sure. Good looking car, sinister as hell in black.

Must be nice to have good weather to still be seeing nice cars out in the wild lol.

I probably won't see one in the wild until may or June at the earliest lol. Probably have to hit the auto show next month to see one.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Must be nice to have good weather to still be seeing nice cars out in the wild lol.

I probably won't see one in the wild until may or June at the earliest lol. Probably have to hit the auto show next month to see one.

It's very nice to never have to put your car away, I am spoiled in the fact that I have no idea what that is like and have never had to worry about it.

It's amazing weather here from October to April or even May sometimes, then it is terribly hot all summer long.

I am not complaining, rare you can take your dog for a walk in late January and its 70 degrees and sunny. I love the weather here when it isn't summer.

If this lottery thing will just come through I can spend my summers in Denver HAHA.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

Saw my first GT500 in the wild on my way home Friday, right in my neighborhood.

Was all black so hard to see all the details in design. At first I could only tell it was a Shelby, but as I got closer I could see the hood scoop and it was clear it was a 500.

Sounded great, was under light throttle and still sounded really nice. Best sounding stock Mustang I have heard for sure. Good looking car, sinister as hell in black.

So they're out there. It might be time to go ahead and order that Magnum 2650 blower and some LTs!! LOL!!

[shaffe]

Steeda ran a 10.73 in their CFTP car.