[RagingHawk]

Ford invited everyone out to an downhill , well prepped drag strip to show off their new 'track beast' of a car.

And some guys here want to pretend like Ford is not making that their marketing priority. Then Ford did some trickery on one of the cars and sent some dumbass to advertise the amazing '10.6' quarter mile time which has become every headline on every automotive magazine. And the car community will praise this car and trash the ZL1 because of that.

Even though it took Ford 5 extra years and an asking price of 80,000-100,000 to achieve those results. Compared to the low 60's you can get in an ZL1 for.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by RagingHawk

Ford invited everyone out to an downhill , well prepped drag strip to show off their new 'track beast' of a car.

And some guys here want to pretend like Ford is not making that their marketing priority. Then Ford did some trickery on one of the cars and sent some dumbass to advertise the amazing '10.6' quarter mile time which has become every headline on every automotive magazine. And the car community will praise this car and trash the ZL1 because of that.

Even though it took Ford 5 extra years and an asking price of 80,000-100,000 to achieve those results. Compared to the low 60's you can get in an ZL1 for.

This is exactly why ford did this.... I'm not saying it was but I just watched Stangmodes video on the event and the uphill in the back drop did make it look downhill lol.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

I don't know what to say to those who keep saying the people who have driven this car and written about it are only praising it for the 1/4 mile times. That's not even remotely the case. The CFTP car has been praised for its handling, balance, and on track attributes. Most of the write-ups have been based on that car on the track, since that is the trim Ford provided for the track portion of the press event.

I said, the ONLY objective data that these guys have to offer is quarter mile times. Everything else they have said is based on their opinions. Opinions mean nothing. So their praise, objectively, can only be based off of one thing and that is quarter mile runs.

Originally Posted by LostM

I get the last laugh

Ok.

Originally Posted by LostM

What about the other drivers that ran 10s in vegas this past week? You skipped answering that one..

what about the fact most have msrp deals in place and ordered. want to answer how that happend, if you werent so wrong about everything?

Post links of all these GT500s selling at MSRP. I'll wait.

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

I wasn't telling you what to be impressed with. I'm personally more impressed with the 133 mph trap speed than the C8 11.1 sec. run. I think you're obviously trolling and pretending it isn't impressive, and you'll continue to pretend otherwise on here, and continue to claim it isn't impressive for whatever reason. Like I said, no other FE RWD car besides the 2019 ZR1 and Ferrari 812 Superfast trap anywhere near 133 mph. The Demon is capable of that trap speed, but I've yet to see a publication test to show that, other than YouTube videos. The Redeye doesn't come close (128 mph best trap speed I've seen). If there's another FE RWD that can do 133 mph bone stock, by all means, post a link.

Why does it matter to you soo much for me to be impressed with the GT500? Like I said, it took them 6 years to build it. It costs $74K. And it needed 760 HP to do it. Meanwhile 10s has been a norm for years. Hellcats have been doing it. Redeyes have been doing it. ZR1s. Z06s. Private owned ZL1s. GTRs. M5s. Demons have been low 10s. It is 2020. 10s are no longer impressive. Ford missed that boat back in 2015 when they were chasing the 2015 Z28. The GT500 is not doing anything out of the ordinary for a car with 760 HP and costing $74K. Cheaper cars have been doing it. Cars with less HP/TQ have been doing it. You are impressed with it because you are a Ford guy and this is Ford's first time getting there. Just like you were impressed with the GT in 2018 despite the fact that plenty of other cars had been running what the GT finally managed to run. You're like the football fan who's team finally won a Superbowl ring. To you this is new uncharted and amazing territory. To me, been there done that, no big deal, yawn. The problem with you is that you're soo excited about it that you want all of us to jump for joy with you. LOL!

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

You're likely the only person in this world who doesn't care about cars they don't own or plan to own. You come across as if you are somehow above caring for cars you may never own, but it just comes across as pathetic, honestly.

Bragging about a car you don't own, is like bragging about how hot your neighbor's wife is. LOL!

Yes I am above caring about cars that I don't own. They mean nothing to me because I have nothing to gain from them. If a car I own or plan to buy does something spectacular then I can enjoy it because I own it or will own it. Otherwise I'm just fanboying something for no damn reason. The GT500 could run 9s and it still wouldn't make your GT anything more than it is.

[RagingHawk]

3:20-3:37

LMAO

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

I wasn't telling you what to be impressed with. I'm personally more impressed with the 133 mph trap speed than the C8 11.1 sec. run. I think you're obviously trolling and pretending it isn't impressive, and you'll continue to pretend otherwise on here, and continue to claim it isn't impressive for whatever reason. Like I said, no other FE RWD car besides the 2019 ZR1 and Ferrari 812 Superfast trap anywhere near 133 mph. The Demon is capable of that trap speed, but I've yet to see a publication test to show that, other than YouTube videos. The Redeye doesn't come close (128 mph best trap speed I've seen). If there's another FE RWD that can do 133 mph bone stock, by all means, post a link.

The top speed is fast enough to be a non-issue to me. Acceleration, looks, handling, etc., all play a more critical and important role.

Regarding the handling, like I said, we'll see. A lot of people who drive and test cars for a living praised its handling in CFTP form. We'll see how it compares to the ZLE time-wise, in time.

You're likely the only person in this world who doesn't care about cars they don't own or plan to own. You come across as if you are somehow above caring for cars you may never own, but it just comes across as pathetic, honestly.

By me explaining what I meant to type was me owning up to the mistake in my post. The mistake was I wasn't specific in that I was referring to the drag portion of the press event. The drag strip was what the entire conversation was about at that time, so it's my bad for assuming someone would assume that is what I meant. But that is what I was referring to, the drag portion of the press event was base models, not CFTP. I was told it ran 10s by people who were there. They wouldn't say that unless it was backed up by the data a day later.

You said: "The objective data and the performance so far shows the Z51 and the ZL1 as being superior cars to the GT500. I have not seen anything to change my mind on that. If you'd care to debate it then I'll do so."

You didn't mention anything about price and availability, but now you bring it up since it's convenient. Rather than admit you were wrong, you are adding additional caveats to your incorrect observation to try to save face. You simply said based on what you've seen so far the ZL1 was a superior car. What we've seen so far is only drag strip times, and the numbers clearly show the GT500 to be faster at the strip. It's as plain as day. Any single person who says the ZL1 is objectively better at the drag strip is simply wrong at this point. You are clinging onto that claim by saying "what we've seen so far the ZL1 is the superior car". Yet you still hang onto it after multiple people have run 10s on the stock car in high DA, with a 10.6 second pass at 133 mph at 975' DA as the clear best time thus far. This type of thing is why your opinions can't be taken seriously. You are saying the ZL1 is an objectively superior car based on what we've seen so far, even though the GT500 is clearly faster in the only actual data that we've seen so far.

No we also have top speed, and even though top speed doesn't matter to most people it is a stat and the gt500 doesnt win that one lol

You say top speed is fast enough to be a non issue, maybe some people want better than camaro ss top speed on an expensive car.

The cftp was highly praised for its great handling, regardless of the numbers obviously the car can handle well. The base sounds like a sliding machine from the little they talked about it on MT.

[RagingHawk]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

This is exactly why ford did this.... I'm not saying it was but I just watched Stangmodes on the event and the uphill in the back drop did make it look downhill lol.

Lol, it looked downhill for a second.

[RagingHawk]

Ford claims a 10.7 1/4 mile time with a prepped surface and utilization of drag mode. Looks like Ford has been busy tuning the drag mode instead of fixing the traction control deficiencies sending Mustangs into crowds.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by RagingHawk

4170 is what I seen listed for the track pack by a widely viewed reviewer. He may have made a mistake though.

Looks are subjective. Both look good to me but I'd say the ZL1 has an edge since I'm not really digging the front fascia of the GT500.

Why would you argue it's a better value(assuming you can get it at MSRP)? Because of the extra power and 1/4 mile time?

I'm not talking about the reviewers, I'm talking about the general car community and especially muscle car fanboys. They will praise this car for its 1/4 mile time. And declare it the top dog based on that factor alone. Which is something that bothers me as I would never purchase a car based off of bragging rights.

The CFTP car will get great track times no doubt. Although look at what it needs to get that. 100 more hp, wider tires, huge brake rotors(bigger than ZL1), carbon fiber wheels, DCT transmission, beefier suspension bits, carbon fiber driveshaft, etc.

All of this needed to decrease weight whilst simultaneously beat the ZL1 in track times shows they were working with an inferior chassis/platform. So don't get me wrong, I like the car and support anything American, although it's clear to me which one will be an overall more balanced car. Just slower in a straight line. And that is the ZL1.

I would also wait for more reviews. I haven't seen anyone track it yet. Which is where we will see detailed impressions on the driving dynamics. Which I expect to be good because Ford had a lot of time to tune the driving dynamics of the car.

Better value because it's only $8k more than an auto ZL1 yet significantly quicker acceleration. Assuming the base model holds its own on a track, it's a $74k car that accelerates harder than any other car this side of a ZR1, which starts at around $125k.

Read Motor Trend's review for one perspective of it's track capabilities. I linked it a few pages ago and again below. The glowing review was based on the track prowess of the CFTP version. The dude finished his track time and was speechless, his mind was blown. C&D and MT both compared it to a Porsche 911 GT2 RS for Pete's sake, and not because of the acceleration. MT called it a supercar and one of the best sports cars in the world, without a caveat on price. The ZLE is no doubt great, but the CFTP may be just as great, or better, we'll see. Here's the opening of the article:

""My gawd," was the first thing, the only thing I could say after hot-lapping the 760-horsepower 2020 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 on a track. "What a thing!" (C'mon, Walton, pull yourself together, use proper descriptors.) "I mean, a helluva thing, a monster!"

I was literally a few words shy of speechless, the Shelby GT500 was such a revelation. Like the mid-engine 2020 Corvette does, this American icon pushes the limits, and the Europeans, to the edge of what we once thought possible. I don't write glibly when I say it is both a sobering and enthusiastic realization."

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford...es-everything/

The CFTP tires are actually the same width in the front (305) and narrower in the rear (315 CFTP vs 325 ZLE) compared to the ZLE. So they are not wider tires, assuming you meant wider than the ZLE.

I highly doubt it could be clear to you which will be the better balanced car if you haven't driven both of them.

To most people, drag racing and acceleration capabilities are more important than road course capabilities. So in their mind, the GT500 is clearly the top dog. On a track with turns, that remains to be seen, but Billy Johnson has already said on video the car will beat its competitors on a track. I don't know why he would say that if it wasn't true.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

I don't know what to say to those who keep saying the people who have driven this car and written about it are only praising it for the 1/4 mile times. That's not even remotely the case. The CFTP car has been praised for its handling, balance, and on track attributes. Most of the write-ups have been based on that car on the track, since that is the trim Ford provided for the track portion of the press event.

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

To most people, drag racing and acceleration capabilities are more important than road course capabilities. So in their mind, the GT500 is clearly the top dog. On a track with turns, that remains to be seen, but Billy Johnson has already said on video the car will beat its competitors on a track. I don't know why he would say that if it wasn't true.

You're confused.

Start backpedaling now...

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by RagingHawk

Ford invited everyone out to an downhill , well prepped drag strip to show off their new 'track beast' of a car.

And some guys here want to pretend like Ford is not making that their marketing priority. Then Ford did some trickery on one of the cars and sent some dumbass to advertise the amazing '10.6' quarter mile time which has become every headline on every automotive magazine. And the car community will praise this car and trash the ZL1 because of that.

Even though it took Ford 5 extra years and an asking price of 80,000-100,000 to achieve those results. Compared to the low 60's you can get in an ZL1 for.

The strip is actually uphill 8 feet. It's elevation is 2015' at the start, and 2023' at the end of the 1320 feet.

[RagingHawk]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Better value because it's only $8k more than an auto ZL1 yet significantly quicker acceleration. Assuming the base model holds its own on a track, it's a $74k car that accelerates harder than any other car this side of a ZR1, which starts at around $125k.

.2 seconds is significantly quicker accelerating? No automotive journalists got lower than a 11.12 1/4 mile with the GT500. The ZR1 like times seem to be coming from some random Youtubers. And in real world pricing, you are paying at least 80K for the base GT500 compared to a low 60's ZL1 Auto.

Read Motor Trend's review for one perspective of it's track capabilities. I linked it a few pages ago and again below. The glowing review was based on the track prowess of the CFTP version. The dude finished his track time and was speechless, his mind was blown. C&D and MT both compared it to a Porsche 911 GT2 RS for Pete's sake, and not because of the acceleration. MT called it a supercar and one of the best sports cars in the world, without a caveat on price. The ZLE is no doubt great, but the CFTP may be just as great, or better, we'll see. Here's the opening of the article:

""My gawd," was the first thing, the only thing I could say after hot-lapping the 760-horsepower 2020 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 on a track. "What a thing!" (C'mon, Walton, pull yourself together, use proper descriptors.) "I mean, a helluva thing, a monster!"

I have no doubt it is a good track car as I expect it to be with such a late release and all that time to fine tune the driving dynamics. The 18K track package will deliver. Although comparing it to GT2 RS is excited rhetoric.

I was literally a few words shy of speechless, the Shelby GT500 was such a revelation. Like the mid-engine 2020 Corvette does, this American icon pushes the limits, and the Europeans, to the edge of what we once thought possible. I don't write glibly when I say it is both a sobering and enthusiastic realization."

I'm surprised that he is surprised. Ford can build performance cars. The GT350 was a teaser of what's to come. And with an asking price of 95,000 for the GT500 CFTP, we were all expecting it to perform really well on the track. Although my premise still stands, they need to drive up the costs significantly and spend an extra 5 years to fine tune the driving dynamics of the car to hide the weaknesses of the inferior chassis.

I highly doubt it could be clear to you which will be the better balanced car if you haven't driven both of them.

I don't need to, 3800 LB ZLE vs 4175 GT500 CFTP. S550 chassis is inferior to the Alpha seen in the Camaro. Ford needed to do a lot of work and needed a lot of time, and needed to drive up the costs of the car to match or beat the ZLE in track performance.

To most people, drag racing and acceleration capabilities are more important than road course capabilities. So in their mind, the GT500 is clearly the top dog. On a track with turns, that remains to be seen, but Billy Johnson has already said on video the car will beat its competitors on a track. I don't know why he would say that if it wasn't true.

At $95,000 and 5 extra years of fine tuning, it will beat it's more affordable competitor dating back to 2016. And yes, much of the car community value 1/4 mile times over anything else. Thus Ford gave it more power while pairing it with a drag mode to achieve those times. All whilst inviting journalists to an drag strip to emphasize this.

I value acceleration but 1/4 mile it is not a priority for me. Chevy could make a drag mode and put a DCT to achieve same times with much less power. It's all about hooking up on a well prepped surface. I personally don't care for it. So I don't see the value in the GT500.

[RagingHawk]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

You're confused.

Start backpedaling now...

Lol ... glad you noticed that ....

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

You're confused.

Start backpedaling now...

No, I'm talking and responding to two different things. You're copying and pasting posts out of context.

The first was in regards to several people on here saying all the praise was for it's 1/4 mile time, when in reality all of the praise from the press, esp. from the major players, C&D, Motor Trend, etc., is due to the handling of the CFTP version on a track.

The 2nd quote was about the everyday man or average car guy, who appreciates acceleration.

No need to take two separate quotes out of context.

[RagingHawk]

Story time:

Soon a guy in Michigan will be one of the first to get their hands on a CFTP GT500. He'll try to show off that drag mode and smash into a pothole or uneven part of the road, bending one or two of those carbon fiber wheels. Then he will be complaining about the 20K replacement price for them.