[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by rlarsen462

Definitely check and see if they are advertising a price with every incentive under the sun, too. I almost got caught up in this when folks were advertising them for $62K only to find out you had to own a Mustang, be a teacher, active military, work for GM, etc. After all those incentives disappeared suddenly the car was basically at the market rate everyone else who wasn't shady was advertising.

In short, if they will sell you that car for $57K, and it's clean, buy it, that's an insane deal on a 19 1LE.

This.. the only ones one autotrader I can find anywhere close to that price have this listed as well:
Pricing includes $2,000 - Chevy Conquest (Proof of Mustang ownership in household - not compatible with Comp Lease/Lease Loyalty/GM Loyalty)
$500 - General Motors Consumer Cash Program.
$500 - Competitive Lease Program (Proof of current lease in household of a 2012 or newer non-GM vehicle - not compatible with Lease Loyalty/Conquest/GM Loyalty).
$500 - GM Lease Loyalty Towards Purchase Program (Proof of current lease in household of a GM vehicle - not compatible with Comp Lease/Conquest/GM Loyalty)
$1,000 - Chevrolet Select Market Bonus Cash.
$1,000 - Credit Union Non-Prime Bonus Cash (Must have a FICO score below 620 and execute a finance contract with dealerships name thru a credit union)
$1,000 - GMF SAVINGS (Requires financing a minimum of $45,000 through GMF - credit restrictions apply)
$1,103 - GM SUPPLIER SAVINGS - Check your eligibility at GMSUPPLIERDISCOUNT.COM (not compatible with Military Savings Discount) $1,103 - MILITARY SAVINGS (not compatible with gm supplier savings)

So the price listed on Autotrader for these cars at least is, literally, impossible to get. They are combining rebates that you can't even combine.

The above is the closest ZL1 1LE on autotrader at $58,711 listed. I suspect it's the dealer the OP is talking about and he typo'd the 57,711.. just cause it's a bit odd that both end in 711.. and it's in Philly which could match his distance of ~100 miles. Also they have an A10 ZL1 1LE with the same impossible pricing of $63k as he stated..

[Checkmate1]

I would also look into CPO ZL1 1LE's.

[sv340]

Originally Posted by rlarsen462

Definitely check and see if they are advertising a price with every incentive under the sun, too. I almost got caught up in this when folks were advertising them for $62K only to find out you had to own a Mustang, be a teacher, active military, work for GM, etc. After all those incentives disappeared suddenly the car was basically at the market rate everyone else who wasn't shady was advertising.

In short, if they will sell you that car for $57K, and it's clean, buy it, that's an insane deal on a 19 1LE.

I am not sure where these prices come from. There is only $500 off right now on '19s. There is conquest money if own a Mustang and some other lease deals but I am not seeing how the math works on what guys are posting. The 2019 ZLE A-10 I ordered MSRP's at 76K, and invoice is 73K. I will get the car at invoice and even if they gave me all of their hold back it is still less than $2k, so how are guys seeing pricing at more than 10K off of MSRP on a '19? Anyone that shed some light on this would be appreciated. I want it to be true, but I don't see how it can be. My ZLE should be here beginning of May sometime.

[Checkmate1]

Originally Posted by sv340

I am not sure where these prices come from. There is only $500 off right now on '19s. There is conquest money if own a Mustang and some other lease deals but I am not seeing how the math works on what guys are posting. The 2019 ZLE A-10 I ordered MSRP's at 76K, and invoice is 73K. I will get the car at invoice and even if they gave me all of their hold back it is still less than $2k, so how are guys seeing pricing at more than 10K off of MSRP on a '19? Anyone that shed some light on this would be appreciated. I want it to be true, but I don't see how it can be. My ZLE should be here beginning of May sometime.

Slim chance of getting a ZLE for less than invoice for the remainder of the year. Maybe if they have a lot sitting around end of the year or early next year.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by sv340

I am not sure where these prices come from. There is only $500 off right now on '19s. There is conquest money if own a Mustang and some other lease deals but I am not seeing how the math works on what guys are posting. The 2019 ZLE A-10 I ordered MSRP's at 76K, and invoice is 73K. I will get the car at invoice and even if they gave me all of their hold back it is still less than $2k, so how are guys seeing pricing at more than 10K off of MSRP on a '19? Anyone that shed some light on this would be appreciated. I want it to be true, but I don't see how it can be. My ZLE should be here beginning of May sometime.

Yeah as I mentioned above the OP has literally 0% chance of getting that price.

[grampa_ss]

Originally Posted by rlarsen462

Definitely check and see if they are advertising a price with every incentive under the sun, too. I almost got caught up in this when folks were advertising them for $62K only to find out you had to own a Mustang, be a teacher, active military, work for GM, etc. After all those incentives disappeared suddenly the car was basically at the market rate everyone else who wasn't shady was advertising.

In short, if they will sell you that car for $57K, and it's clean, buy it, that's an insane deal on a 19 1LE.

ding ding ding...from the website: https://www.auto.com/cars/chevrolet-...fj1r6xk0125538
Seller Notes
NO CHARGE 10-YEAR/150,000-MILE LONG TERM POWERTRAIN LIMITED WARRANTY INCLUDED ON EVERY NEW CHEVROLET!2019 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 1LE EXTREME TRACKSummit WhitePriced below KBB Fair Purchase Price! - We know price is important to all of us. We have invested in the latest technologies to scan the market, and compare our cars with like vehicles to ensure our pricing is hugely competitive! Pricing includes all costs to be paid by consumer except for sales tax, registration, title, and ONLY a $144 Pennsylvania REGULATED documentation fee. Must qualify for ONLY the rebates & incentives listed to receive pricing. Prior sales are excluded. Credit restrictions apply. Pricing includes $2,000 - Chevy Conquest (Proof of Mustang ownership in household - not compatible with Comp Lease/Lease Loyalty/GM Loyalty) Exp. 04/30/2019, $500 - General Motors Consumer Cash Program. Exp. 04/30/2019, $500 - Competitive Lease Program (Proof of current lease in household of a 2012 or newer non-GM vehicle - not compatible with Lease Loyalty/Conquest/GM Loyalty). Exp. 04/30/2019, $500 - GM Lease Loyalty Towards Purchase Program (Proof of current lease in household of a GM vehicle - not compatible with Comp Lease/Conquest/GM Loyalty) Exp. 04/30/2019, $1,000 - Chevrolet Select Market Bonus Cash. Exp. 04/30/2019 $1,000 - Credit Union Non-Prime Bonus Cash (Must have a FICO score below 620 and execute a finance contract with Chapman Chevrolet thru a credit union) Exp. 04/30/2019 $1,000 - GMF SAVINGS (Requires financing a minimum of $45,000 through GMF - credit restrictions apply) Exp. 04/30/2019 $1,000 - Chevrolet Trade Assist (must trade a 2014 or newer vehicle) Exp. 04/30/2019 $1,076 - GM SUPPLIER SAVINGS - Check your eligibility at GMSUPPLIERDISCOUNT.COM (not compatible with Military Savings Discount) $1,076 - MILITARY SAVINGS (not compatible with gm supplier savings). If you're searching for Chevy dealers in Pennsylvania, come see Chapman Chevrolet. We're conveniently located in the Philadelphia Automall, an easy drive from anywhere in the Philadelphia metro area, including Ardmore, Media, Cherry Hill, NJ, and Wilmington, DE. Whether you're looking for a Camaro or a Silverado, we have plenty for you to choose from?

[trakdayz]

Originally Posted by Z-L-1

I completely agree with the insanely low price for a 1LE (Buy-It). I fought with 7 dealerships in the Tri-State for 3 months (in the dead of winter) to get the best deal I could find on a new allocation manual transmission plain ZL1. The only option I ordered was a carbon hood insert & M6, agreed price was $61,500, my dealership said I qualify for 2K off in rebates and I made them put it on a Bill Of Sale. The final agreed price is 59,500 before tax & tags.

It's awesome to see another BMW guy on this forum, your garage sounds sick! I actually sold my M2 to buy this ZL1, still waiting for delivery. It's currently on the rails heading to Twin Oaks, PA. Keep us posted with pic's if you pull the trigger. On another note, I"d love to see pics of the S54 build I still poke around Bimmerpost, do share.

Thank you man. Not sure if I'll get crap for this but much of my cars and builds (E36 s54) are on my IG - ALCHEMIST_NICKZAK

Just got an email back from my local dealership asking if they can price match the 1LE in PA...their response to me:

"Hey Nick,

Checked that price quote and we cant match that at all unfortunately lol. They are taking 14k off the price!!! "

Im definitely going to dig deeper as to the Price of these cars and rebates. The dealership is in Philly. On AUTOTRADER and CARS.COM the price was $57,711 now its kicked up $1K to $58,711. I have proof and screen shot the price 2 days ago. Stealerships I tell ya!

[grampa_ss]

See post #20

[TheRealJA105]

Yeah Chapman Chevy lists every discount possible. Some of the discounts aren't even allowed to be combined with each other and it's stated right there, but they still list them that way. ex. Lease conquest and Lease loyalty

[Z-L-1]

I'd like to chime in on this car at Chapman Chevrolet. I've personally dealt with them when searching for the best deal on my ZL1 and it was a horrific experience. I had to chase the salesman and GM down for over a week to answer simple pricing questions related to the listed internet deals. Turns out that they list every possible discount including offers that aren't even combinable to get down to there advertised price.

When someone finally got back to me they told me the best price they could do was MSRP. Just my opinion, I wouldn't do business with them if they were giving the car away. It's all B/S smoke & mirrors to get you in the door for a bait & switch, just read some of the Google reviews on this place. Play at your own risk when dealing with Chapmen.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by grampa_ss

See post #20

Or #15 where I already clearly stated all of that haha

[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

The other members are spot on. The chances you'll actually pay that price is zero. Time to start talking to them and see what they'll actually do for you. More than likely, they're listing uncombinable incentives and discounts you will not have access to. I know all the deals available on Camaros right now; chances are they're not willing to lose money on the car which would mean MSRP minus some conquest cash/customer cash/select market bonus is all they'll do.

If the listing doesn't expressly list the PDR option, it doesn't have it. Don't be afraid though, there's really no such thing as "base" ZL1/ZL1 1LE. Really all you have for option choices are sunroof (big no-no IMO), PDR, carbon fiber (hood and dash), and floor mats. Pretty much everything else is standard.

As for the transmissions, I think the A10 ZLE will be the best iteration of the car IF you want a track focused vehicle. There's no question that I would get the A10 over the M6 in this car every single time, and before my A10 ZL1 all my cars were manuals. I still am a diehard manual fan and sometimes I do miss being able to make noise, do my own downshifts, and feel that irreplaceable "snap" you can get with the manual. It's going to come down to you.

[trakdayz]

update:

Just got off the phone with a salesman ive been emailing. The 1LE is $57,711.... he said over the phone and was aware of the discrepency on the online prices.
-Now i dont own lease a Mustang so thats $2k of a rebate out the door.
-I work for myself and thats $1K rebate out the door.
-Im not in the Military thats $500 out the door.

So $3,500 in rebates i cant use...that brings the car to $61,288 before taxes on the manual 1LE. He said he can try for another $500-1000 off. So this isnt too shabby. I made it a point that i will not be closing any deals in person unless the price is a sealed deal via Email and an agreement has been made.

[trakdayz]

Crap....just read what some of you guys posted...well thats unfortunate about that dealership. Thank you for the feedback...really appreciate. Due dilligence here at this point with this information and dealership. Filling out the credit app now. We shall see what kind of mockery they will have in store for me.