ZL1 to rule GT500 in Top Speed - Page 3

HDRDTD · 03-17-2019, 05:01 PM

For me, I could care less. My 2013 ZL1 convertible is limited by GM at 155 or so I believe.

Yes I have tracked the car as a beginner, both a few road courses as will as the local drag strip and have never even come close to reaching the maximum.

I imagine if I were serious about top speed, I'd probably already have done a tune at some point, and whatever limiter it may have had by the factory could be bypassed/eliminated with the tune.

On the other hand, having a factory limit just 'MIGHT' save some newbie that bought such a car and immediately turns all the nanny's off to see just what she'll do.

Can'tHave2MuchHP · 03-17-2019, 07:09 PM

Physically, I don't think the 180 MPH limit is a big deal. I've never gone that fast in a street car or track car for that matter and though I've gotten somewhat close, the vehicles that I did would get there VERY quickly (1000 rwhp+ Corvettes). For a stock ZL1 or GT500 to get to 180, you have to be in it for a while. Sure, it's not slow but the aero and weight start to hurt the faster and faster you go. Even if you had a McLaren 720S, 180 MPH would take a scary amount of distance to get to without being seen by a LEO. Would a stock GT500 even do 180 MPH in a standing mile race? Reason I ask is that's the longest legal distance I'm aware of short of road rentals and the Autobahn etc.

Now, mentally, it doesn't sound cool to be the guy with the governed vehicle. But most mustangs are modified so I'm sure the speed limit will be the first thing to be tuned out. Probably won't be that big of a deal.

ohsmily · 03-17-2019, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by HDRDTD

For me, I could care less. My 2013 ZL1 convertible is limited by GM at 155 or so I believe.

Yes I have tracked the car as a beginner, both a few road courses as will as the local drag strip and have never even come close to reaching the maximum.

I imagine if I were serious about top speed, I'd probably already have done a tune at some point, and whatever limiter it may have had by the factory could be bypassed/eliminated with the tune.

On the other hand, having a factory limit just 'MIGHT' save some newbie that bought such a car and immediately turns all the nanny's off to see just what she'll do.

So you do care about the top speed, then? How much less could you care? Perhaps a lot of if you care a lot. I was able to reach over 160 m.p.h. in a Z06 on a straightaway with a slight downslope with little difficulty. I am strongly opposed to speed governors on vehicles. So Ford limits theirs to 180mph. Yours is apparently limited to 155. Why not govern them to the speed limit? You don't care about 155 but others do and tolerating limits may lead to further decreases in top allowable speeds.

Frisbey · 03-17-2019, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by waterman

2020 is an emission and auto safety regulation year. Although I am surprised by Fords decision to limit top speed on the new GT500, the legal team in Dearborn, likely have a greater say in this matter than the engineers. Even more likely the EPA and the US Office of the Inspector General have a LOT to do with this decision because of the impending 2020 regs.

Get your ICE Performance cars while you can boys and girls. As I believe that the performance renaissance that we are living in now, is soon to become a thing of the past. Safety limitations are coming to EV as well.

While I am on a rant. When we pay the gas guzzler tax, are we not as citizens entitled to all of the benefits thereto?

Don't forget to vote ladies and gentlemen... Liberty is one heck of a freedom to lose and is being chipped away at an ever increasing rate.

Excellent post Alan,
And I agree, I believe we’re living in a very unique time in history regarding performance limits, or lack there of any limits for these cars.

I expect big brother will shortly impose limits on the horsepower race were currently enjoying, likely citing environmental and safety issues.
Many of the people in the know that I’ve talked to, believe the same thing.

URBAN LEGEND · 03-17-2019, 08:42 PM

Unless you race professionally this is bar talk.

Markoz28 · 03-17-2019, 09:01 PM

180mph limit doesn’t mean much to me but could mean a lot to others as there will be a premium on the car and you’d expect it to perform well in everything. For me it’s all about 1/4 mile (145mph some day) or maybe 1/2 mile (175mph some day) so if I could get to that, that would be great! But I’m sure there are some that wanna be in the 200mph zone. I imagine that’s going to take distance and aero.

Even tho there’s a limit, I’m sure it can be tuned out.

kwav8r · 03-17-2019, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by North of You

Sorry to thread drift a little here folks...

I wanted the GT350R in a big way a few years ago. So i called a dealer up and he had no embarrassment telling me he wanted 20K over MSRP. I asked him if he was serious while chuckling to myself......this is one of the reasons I’m here. Pulling this kind of crap by a dealership should be banned my the Mother Corp.

You're not the only one on here that laughed at a Ford dealer when ADM for a GT350/350R was brought up.

Personally, I think the exterior fit/finish of the 350/350R (and likely the 500) is better than our ZL1s. But, that's subjective. I also don't think the Voodoo is worth the hype, physics takes over at some point.

kwav8r · 03-17-2019, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by waterman

2020 is an emission and auto safety regulation year. Although I am surprised by Fords decision to limit top speed on the new GT500, the legal team in Dearborn, likely have a greater say in this matter than the engineers. Even more likely the EPA and the US Office of the Inspector General have a LOT to do with this decision because of the impending 2020 regs.

Get your ICE Performance cars while you can boys and girls. As I believe that the performance renaissance that we are living in now, is soon to become a thing of the past. Safety limitations are coming to EV as well.

While I am on a rant. When we pay the gas guzzler tax, are we not as citizens entitled to all of the benefits thereto?

Don't forget to vote ladies and gentlemen... Liberty is one heck of a freedom to lose and is being chipped away at an ever increasing rate.

Concur 100%.

Matter of time before bigger government starts telling you what you can and should have.

*mlee* · 03-17-2019, 10:33 PM

This 180 thing means absolutely nothing. So what if a Camaro goes 200 ungoverned.

I hate it when someone asks how fast your car will go. That's when you know they have no clue.

It's my guess they based this limit on one mile. No one runs more than that anyway and if they do the car is no longer limited.

Artos · 03-17-2019, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mlee

This 180 thing means absolutely nothing. So what if a Camaro goes 200 ungoverned.

I hate it when someone asks how fast your car will go. That's when you know they have no clue.

It's my guess they based this limit on one mile. No one runs more than that anyway and if they do the car is no longer limited.

Yeah...the whole thing is nonsense.

First person to take a GT500 to loose control going 175mph in an idiotic stunt killing himself...his family is going after ford. Even If it was govn at 150 & the wreck was at 145??

Same with our 200mph Camaro...idiot kills himself going 120mph & none of the govn crap matters.

Now I see the articles that the new mid vette is too powerful for the public?? Nothing a mfg can do & win all the way around.

*mlee* · 03-17-2019, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Artos

Yeah...the whole thing is nonsense.

First person to take a GT500 to loose control going 175mph in an idiotic stunt killing himself...his family is going after ford. Even If it was govn at 150 & the wreck was at 145??

Same with our 200mph Camaro...idiot kills himself going 120mph & none of the govn crap matters.

Now I see the articles that the new mid vette is too powerful for the public?? Nothing a mfg can do & win all the way around.

And it takes a long ass road to get up to those speeds. COTA doesn't even have that.

Pure nonsense and nothing but click bait.

GrimReaperSS · 03-17-2019, 11:52 PM

Read that Volvo is going to start limiting their cars to 112, so you could kinda say its already started. I was trying to look into speeds at tracks of some current cars. Without digging to far, saw a stock C7 ZR1 hitting 160-165 on the front straight at Road America. Personally it doesn't bother me to limit to that 180-ish speed. As stated, if you're regularly spending time at those speeds, you're likely no longer in a street trim car and carry a race license of some degree.

North of You · 03-18-2019, 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waterman

2020 is an emission and auto safety regulation year. Although I am surprised by Fords decision to limit top speed on the new GT500, the legal team in Dearborn, likely have a greater say in this matter than the engineers. Even more likely the EPA and the US Office of the Inspector General have a LOT to do with this decision because of the impending 2020 regs.

Get your ICE Performance cars while you can boys and girls. As I believe that the performance renaissance that we are living in now, is soon to become a thing of the past. Safety limitations are coming to EV as well.

While I am on a rant. When we pay the gas guzzler tax, are we not as citizens entitled to all of the benefits thereto?

Don't forget to vote ladies and gentlemen... Liberty is one heck of a freedom to lose and is being chipped away at an ever increasing rate.

The first gen 99 and 00 Suzuki Hayabusa was unrestricted and then the manufacturers “voluntarily” limited them to 300 when they started getting stink eye from governments. These are more sought after then subsequent restricted versions which makes them more valuable. So who knows, this may happen with cars soon to, and it might be nice if that is reflected on used prices in the future. After all, the max speed achievable on the street is really rather a moot point..... but being able to say that mine can go to 11 isn’t!

https://youtu.be/4xgx4k83zzc

Scottyz · 03-18-2019, 05:07 AM

There are already tons of cars with speed limiters. Tons.
Why? Legal liability.
The manufacturers sell cars with tires that aren’t speed rated for speeds the car can achieve. Case in point: say a 1994 Firebird with an LS1. Car I believe came with an H speed rated tire. Therefore the car was limited to something like 120mph. The exact mph I don’t recall but you guys get the idea. Purchase the Trans Am and you get the Z speed rated tire and you also have no speed limiter.

How do I know this? Besides being a mechanic for a living and having owned all sorts of cars I HAVE driven at the limit for long durations, not say 1 or 2 miles, I’m talking like 20 miles plus at full tilt. FULL TILT like no more in it unless you go downhill then you MIGHT be able to squeeze a hundred or 2 rpm out of it.
These cars I have owned over the years aren’t necessarily performance cars. Some were.
Some you can’t take to the edge cause they will literally likely go airborne. My 98 Bonneville SSEi comes to mind. At 224km/r that front end would be wandering a lot! It was kinda scary. And the car had a lot more.
I should have lowered the front end. Sounds funny, but that car was a sleeper big time.

Anyhow, on a sad note. I was talking to the neighbor. He owns a Mercedes AMG e63s.
5.5L twin turbo. Something like 570hp. It’s a fast car. He received a letter in the mail. AVIVA insurance company just bought out a bunch of other insurance companies. His letter from AVIVA:
Come renewal time they are NO LONGER GOING TO INSURE HIM CAUSE THE CAR HAS MORE THAN 500 HORSEPOWER!!!!
Trucks, vans and suvs are ok though.
What a crock of F*&*@ing bullshit!!!!

03-17-2019, 08:42 PM	#33
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03-17-2019, 10:33 PM	#37
mlee CamaroFans.com Drives: ZLE & ZR2 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Conroe, TX Posts: 37,982 View My Garage	This 180 thing means absolutely nothing. So what if a Camaro goes 200 ungoverned. I hate it when someone asks how fast your car will go. That's when you know they have no clue. It's my guess they based this limit on one mile. No one runs more than that anyway and if they do the car is no longer limited. __________________

03-17-2019, 05:01 PM	#29
HDRDTD Drives: 2013 Triple Black ZL1 Vert M6 ECF Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Trenton, Michigan Posts: 7,046	For me, I could care less. My 2013 ZL1 convertible is limited by GM at 155 or so I believe. Yes I have tracked the car as a beginner, both a few road courses as will as the local drag strip and have never even come close to reaching the maximum. I imagine if I were serious about top speed, I'd probably already have done a tune at some point, and whatever limiter it may have had by the factory could be bypassed/eliminated with the tune. On the other hand, having a factory limit just 'MIGHT' save some newbie that bought such a car and immediately turns all the nanny's off to see just what she'll do.

03-17-2019, 07:09 PM	#30
Can'tHave2MuchHP Drives: Fast Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,696	Physically, I don't think the 180 MPH limit is a big deal. I've never gone that fast in a street car or track car for that matter and though I've gotten somewhat close, the vehicles that I did would get there VERY quickly (1000 rwhp+ Corvettes). For a stock ZL1 or GT500 to get to 180, you have to be in it for a while. Sure, it's not slow but the aero and weight start to hurt the faster and faster you go. Even if you had a McLaren 720S, 180 MPH would take a scary amount of distance to get to without being seen by a LEO. Would a stock GT500 even do 180 MPH in a standing mile race? Reason I ask is that's the longest legal distance I'm aware of short of road rentals and the Autobahn etc. Now, mentally, it doesn't sound cool to be the guy with the governed vehicle. But most mustangs are modified so I'm sure the speed limit will be the first thing to be tuned out. Probably won't be that big of a deal.

03-17-2019, 09:01 PM	#34
Markoz28 Drives: 18 ZL1 nightfall grey A10 Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: RGV Texas Posts: 1,527	180mph limit doesn’t mean much to me but could mean a lot to others as there will be a premium on the car and you’d expect it to perform well in everything. For me it’s all about 1/4 mile (145mph some day) or maybe 1/2 mile (175mph some day) so if I could get to that, that would be great! But I’m sure there are some that wanna be in the 200mph zone. I imagine that’s going to take distance and aero. Even tho there’s a limit, I’m sure it can be tuned out.

03-17-2019, 11:52 PM	#40
GrimReaperSS Drives: 2001 Onyx Black/Ebony SS. 427/M6 Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Sussex, Wi Posts: 509	Read that Volvo is going to start limiting their cars to 112, so you could kinda say its already started. I was trying to look into speeds at tracks of some current cars. Without digging to far, saw a stock C7 ZR1 hitting 160-165 on the front straight at Road America. Personally it doesn't bother me to limit to that 180-ish speed. As stated, if you're regularly spending time at those speeds, you're likely no longer in a street trim car and carry a race license of some degree.

03-18-2019, 05:07 AM	#42
Scottyz 2019 ZL1 1LE MY GOON Drives: 1980 Z28 Big Red. Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Stoney Creek Posts: 2,061	There are already tons of cars with speed limiters. Tons. Why? Legal liability. The manufacturers sell cars with tires that aren’t speed rated for speeds the car can achieve. Case in point: say a 1994 Firebird with an LS1. Car I believe came with an H speed rated tire. Therefore the car was limited to something like 120mph. The exact mph I don’t recall but you guys get the idea. Purchase the Trans Am and you get the Z speed rated tire and you also have no speed limiter. How do I know this? Besides being a mechanic for a living and having owned all sorts of cars I HAVE driven at the limit for long durations, not say 1 or 2 miles, I’m talking like 20 miles plus at full tilt. FULL TILT like no more in it unless you go downhill then you MIGHT be able to squeeze a hundred or 2 rpm out of it. These cars I have owned over the years aren’t necessarily performance cars. Some were. Some you can’t take to the edge cause they will literally likely go airborne. My 98 Bonneville SSEi comes to mind. At 224km/r that front end would be wandering a lot! It was kinda scary. And the car had a lot more. I should have lowered the front end. Sounds funny, but that car was a sleeper big time. Anyhow, on a sad note. I was talking to the neighbor. He owns a Mercedes AMG e63s. 5.5L twin turbo. Something like 570hp. It’s a fast car. He received a letter in the mail. AVIVA insurance company just bought out a bunch of other insurance companies. His letter from AVIVA: Come renewal time they are NO LONGER GOING TO INSURE HIM CAUSE THE CAR HAS MORE THAN 500 HORSEPOWER!!!! Trucks, vans and suvs are ok though. What a crock of F&@ing bullshit!!!!

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