[RenegadeXR]

I think they should simply call it the "Camaro RS" and give it a stripper V8 with the 2019 LT's font fascia. I think it would sell well and appeal to potential Challenger buyers and 5th gen hold-outs.

Yes, I know the RS is an appearance package for the LT, but non-RS LT's are extremely rare. And Camaro's naming scheme has historically been confusing, so why not?

Or they could even call it a z/28, since the ZL1 1LE is already a track car. Again, confusing compared to previous generations, but w/e. The nameplate is technically still free.

[18LTLoveIt]

Originally Posted by dpevans

Saw a truck load heading south on I69 and those taillights are fricking ugly.

Goggles anyone? Esp when not lit up. That's why all publicity shots are lit up.

[trophy hunter]

Originally Posted by RenegadeXR

Or they could even call it a z/28, since the ZL1 1LE is already a track car. Again, confusing compared to previous generations, but w/e. The nameplate is technically still free.

You beat me to the punch...…. that is exactly what I was thinking.

It (the Z28) could be made a low cost, light weight car with varying options ….kind of like the 4th gen 1LEs, so to speak, just not so finite.

The Chevy parts bin is already there (ie RS, base camaro and some unilateral line pieces) Start the base package with no A/C or radio, manual seats, no rear seat, no rear spoiler, 18 or 19" rims...… the list goes on. Obviously, most would come off the production line with A/C but all the other items could be dealer installed, if requested. This would be a great entry level car with "the big engine" but I'm a little biased and not certain that would have much "fan fair" with the general public......but who knows

[cooper1965]

If, and that's a big "IF" GM launches a lower cost V8 option.
It will be a LS V8 M6, with a re-calibrated TQ management system. (possibly even reducing advertised HP/TQ ratings) Optioned identically to current LS.

Any changes deviating would result in massive price increases for GM.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by Nsxmatt

I don't see how you could make the current base 1ss any more basic. It already has the base audio, seats, no sunroof, no options. Unless they took away the bigger brakes and LSD.

You do not want to take away big brakes from a car that does 180 off the showroom floor.

[motorhead]

I find it funny that someone is asking for a car to be like a car from the 60's. WAKE UP FOLKS!! it's 2018. .not going to happen. The 1SS is just about as cheap as you can get with all the regulations a manufacturer needs to follow. Outside of just dropping the price ,as Dodge just did, that's about all they could do. The 1SS is a bargin already. I don't understand the complaint.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by motorhead

I find it funny that someone is asking for a car to be like a car from the 60's. WAKE UP FOLKS!! it's 2018. .not going to happen. The 1SS is just about as cheap as you can get with all the regulations a manufacturer needs to follow. Outside of just dropping the price ,as Dodge just did, that's about all they could do. The 1SS is a bargin already. I don't understand the complaint.

The days of the “radio delete” option that the guys at the Barrett-Jackson auctions go crazy for are long gone. It’s cheaper for a car company to produce every car with options most people want on every car than it is to build a few without. It costs more to build a select few cars without power seats, windows, and automatic climate control than to build ALL of them with all those features.

[metros11]

If stripping down a 1SS to a calculator entertainment screen, manual seats, and 18" wheels, just so you can cut $2k off the price to 'compete' with the Mustang, I'll take a hard pass. The right approach would be to build a 5.7L variation of the LT, throw some 350 badges on the fenders, and then you have something that may just gain interest. It's working for Dodge, it can work for the Camaro. I wouldn't count on it happening though.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by fastball

The days of the “radio delete” option that the guys at the Barrett-Jackson auctions go crazy for are long gone. It’s cheaper for a car company to produce every car with options most people want on every car than it is to build a few without. It costs more to build a select few cars without power seats, windows, and automatic climate control than to build ALL of them with all those features.

You are exactly right. That's why i say a true sleep like the one shown above will never happen again. Dodge offers the Challenger with a 5.7hemi in a cloth seat stripper. I woukd say that is about as cheap as you could ask for these day with a V8. Correct me if Im wrong, but doesnt the v6 Camaro beat that?

[RealG]

Rich people still arguing against a low cost Camaro V8. How out of touch.

[IMadeYouReadThis]

Originally Posted by 90503

A Camaro with a V-8 does NOT have to be an SS model.

Trying to brain-wash everyone that a T4 or a V6 is the only low-cost Camaro option is a myth that hasn't worked since 2010. I don't know why everyone feels threatened by a base trim Camaro with a V-8....To say a V8 is too much for LS brakes, the tires are too small, etc., etc., is all part of the myth that has kept this V-8 option unavailable.

Somehow V8 is now married to "SS" as the only option, and an excuse for higher priced content that must be purchased to get a V-8 Camaro. I hope Chevy ends that practice the sooner the better for sales and customer preferences.

you nailed it.

I had a 2002 Camaro with the LS1 it was a Z28 stripper had a stick shift and air nothing else crank windows Base. That car was fast though I love it

[fastball]

Originally Posted by RealG

Rich people still arguing against a low cost Camaro V8. How out of touch.

Again you are missing the point.

Do you know what logistics are? Ever hear of 6 Sigma? Operational efficiency?

It is actually more efficient, faster, cheaper, and results in higher quality, if every car is built exactly the same. Car companies would love to build every single car in one color, with ALL options, on every single car. That would probably decrease the sticker price $5k and increase the profits for the company by $15k at the same time.

In the old days, when you could pick and chose every single feature in your build, that meant that GM would have to keep an inventory of every feature yet not use every part. That means wasted space for stock, wasted money for buying the parts from the vendor, and wasted time in delivery and organizing them. Plus it resulted in cars being configurable in hundreds of thousands of possible configurations. It contributed to the bad quality that crept in over the 70s.

Sure you could order your bare bones Camaro with the biggest motor, high performance suspension and brakes, without A/C or a radio. Heck you could order it without a heater too.

The next guy wants A/C and a heater. But he doesn't want a radio.

The next guy wants a radio with no A/C.

By the late 80s you could get your Camaro with power locks, manual crank windows, tilt wheel but without cruise or delay wipers, without A/C but with T-tops. Or with cruise, without power door locks, with power windows, without tilt wheel, no T-Tops and with air conditioning.

For each and every one of those configurations, there's THOUSANDS of different parts that are required.

Add to the fact that today cars are entirely integrated through the ECM and BCM it makes it impossible to separate power windows and locks from the climate control, power seats, and sound system.

Japan started the streamline operational efficiency by offering limited options and cars basically built in trim levels only. Then they built them in groups. So you didn't have different parts going into each different car as they rolled down the line. That's a necessity if a car company wants to stay profitable and you want your car affordable and high quality.

[IMadeYouReadThis]

Originally Posted by RenegadeXR

I think they should simply call it the "Camaro RS" and give it a stripper V8 with the 2019 LT's font fascia. I think it would sell well and appeal to potential Challenger buyers and 5th gen hold-outs.

Yes, I know the RS is an appearance package for the LT, but non-RS LT's are extremely rare. And Camaro's naming scheme has historically been confusing, so why not?

Or they could even call it a z/28, since the ZL1 1LE is already a track car. Again, confusing compared to previous generations, but w/e. The nameplate is technically still free.

I'm all for it being called a Z28. In fact the Z28 was the lower cost model. And you could get a stripper in the 4th gen. The SS was for the guys with money

[fastball]

Originally Posted by IMadeYouReadThis

I'm all for it being called a Z28. In fact the Z28 was the lower cost model. And you could get a stripper in the 4th gen. The SS was for the guys with money

Not originally. The Z28 in the first gen was a limited edition track ready car with an aluminum 302. It was in the late 70s when they decided to use that badge on the low end V8 Camaros as a marketing ploy