[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by IMadeYouReadThis

Fair enough man into each their own.

It's just funny though because you're driving a 5th gen which is substantially slower than the 6th gen. Your SS stock would be more comparable yet faster than the 6th gen V6 then it would be comparable to the V8 6th gen. And I'm talkin 0 to 60 times here. I believe the 5th gen was around 4.5 seconds according to GM for the SS and we're sitting at 5.1 seconds for the V6 in the 6th gen.

The only thing that you can compare the 5th gen SS to the V8 6th gen SS would be sound.

now I'm sure you've modded it but the bottom line is you bought it stock and it was good enough for you to lay money down to buy it at that point.

Because at the end of the day, at the time, it was what I could afford. I optioned a 5th gen 1SS because I couldn't afford more. And yes, the newer cars are faster, they're also lighter, have more HP, and better suspensions. That happens with all new cars, especially sports cars. I'm in no way saying that the V6 isn't a good car.

Originally Posted by IMadeYouReadThis

And your V6 GTP what was that 200 horse what did that do 0 to 60 in 7 or 8 Seconds but that Beast was somehow enough for you?

Like that GTP would be about as fast as a Dodge Caravan these days.

I had a 2004 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP Competition Group. Stock HP was about 260-265hp. The last dyno run I did with the car put it at about 340hp to the wheels. It also sounded fantastically like a small V8. Was a great car, and it was something that was cheap to mod. My particular car had the WS6 package from the Trans-Am as part of the car.

I managed to get it there while having a baby, doing my parental duties, and trying to be a responsible adult. Again, this was what I could afford at the time.

Originally Posted by IMadeYouReadThis

I'm just trying to make sense of what you're saying that's all so let's say the 7th Gen Camaro comes out in the V6 is beating your stock SS right from the factory floor will that still not be enough?

The fact that my V6 is as fast as my LS1 it's pretty impressive to me.

Not looking for a pissing contest you just had a whole lot of it's not enough for me in your comment and I'm trying to understand why

Your V6 is also using a motor thats about 20 years newer, on a chassis that's one of the greatest in the world right now. I don't have a stock SS, and I don't currently have an SS either...

The point is, why mod something for 10-15k when I can put that money into something already built with more power and with a warranty? Again, this isn't about knocking you or anyone else. I wanted something more, I found a way to get it. For some, 150hp is enough... for some, doing 45 mph is enough... I like being able to go fast...and hear some whine...

[Rayfield]

Originally Posted by autocross

This is great. I’ve driven small engines my whole life. When i see basically 300TQ coming from an I4, I’m stoked! Why? Because of weight. I don’t consider the V8 a sports car because the equilibrium between power and weight has shifted to the heavy side.

Yeah, my last turbo 4 was a fairly-modified WRX wagon, putting 320 torque to the wheels. It was a blast, handled well, could do family duty well, was basically a "swiss army knife" of a car. Honestly, I miss it.

What is it not? The V6 model is about 200 pounds lighter than the V8 model. The V8 is the pony car, and the V6/I4 are sports cars.

.......

Some of us like the sound of the V6 better as it sounds like a precise performance engine verses the V8 which sounds like a dirty beast. I think it’s all a matter of perspective!!!

We'll part ways on that one..the sound my 6.2 liter makes is intoxicating, the way the rumble of my completely-decatted boxer in the WRX was. And it is both a muscle car and a sports car. Such a great chassis.

It's all good, as said, the V6 Gen6 is a fine sports car, and I get why people would buy it. The V6 Camaro's from my formative years sucked..what we have now is so much more.

[KGen6]

I love my V6

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by autocross

I don’t want to be that guy, but why can’t you stance a camaro? I find sports cars look good with a little stance!!

I'm going to push back a little here. "Stance" seems to have become code for "conforming to a appearance conventions selected by others for appearance sake alone". No matter if it's completely contrary to what you'd do purely for performance, it's what you gotta do or else you're gonna be the outsider looking in. But that rules out creativity and gets in the way of actually making things function better, so it's pretty much the antithesis of a sports car in my book. When I see that term used to describe something in the 'Pro-Touring' world, the first thought to cross my mind is "good grief, another wanna-be <facepalm>".

I suspect that the 'handling' side of your perspective is closer to the English perspective of 50 - 60 years ago, where the roads were mostly not straight and where nimbleness as a car characteristic was prized. Most US domestic enthusiasts tend to see this from the other direction, where nimbleness traditionally wasn't given much value (and certainly not when compared with the appeal of big engine displacements/big power/roaring exhausts/screeching tires). It's still an uphill battle.

FWIW I'd pick the smooth wail of a free-revving V6 over all of those sounds associated with a turbocharger every single time. Even, I think, over the mildly choppy rumble of a crossplane V8, now that that sound has become the hallmark of lifted pickups. Over a proper flat-plane crank V8, probably not - but you should realize that 'proper' excludes the current GT350's Voodoo unless maybe you're running it with true 4 into 1 headers.

In case you're wondering, I actually did live through the muscle car era (possibly all of it so far). I knew a couple of sports car race drivers back in the mid-1960's, so I think it might be more a mindset thing than generational to pick lightness and balance over bulk and brute power.


Norm

[Hyper RS]

Almost 2 years ago, I tried to convince myself that I would be happy with a V6 Camaro RS with a 6 speed manual and dual mode exhaust. I figured with 335 HP it would be enough for me. So, I went ahead and ordered one. It was a great looking car and performed well, but I always regretted not spending the extra for a SS. Long story short, I now have a Camaro SS and it is so much more fun! If you are on the fence between a V6 and V8.....go with the V8...you will be glad you did!

[srcstc]

Originally Posted by Hyper RS

Almost 2 years ago, I tried to convince myself that I would be happy with a V6 Camaro RS with a 6 speed manual and dual mode exhaust. I figured with 335 HP it would be enough for me. So, I went ahead and ordered one. It was a great looking car and performed well, but I always regretted not spending the extra for a SS. Long story short, I now have a Camaro SS and it is so much more fun! If you are on the fence between a V6 and V8.....go with the V8...you will be glad you did!

I've yet to see someone post the opposite.


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[Glen e]

Originally Posted by srcstc

I've yet to see someone post the opposite.


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OK here's one. I owned a 2014 C7, a 2013 SS V8, and bought a 2016 Camaro V6. Why? because it's a DD, and I don't need the horsepower, or the premium gas, or the break neck acceleration, A v6 just does fine. I've never regretted the decision.

[srcstc]

Originally Posted by Glen e

OK here's one. I owned a 2014 C7, a 2013 SS V8, and bought a 2016 Camaro V6. Why? because it's a DD, and I don't need the horsepower, or the premium gas, or the break neck acceleration, A v6 just does fine. I've never regretted the decision.

No I meant someone that bought a 6th gen SS and wished they'd bought the V6 instead.


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[soloknight6]

Listen guys. All the engines are great. If you’re mature and practical in your approach to choosing a camaro for yourself you’ll be happy with whatever you choose. However... if the thought of a V8 camaro crosses your mind, then you won’t be happy with “settling.”

A fully loaded 2SS with under 10k miles can be had for the same price as a new RS. Increased gas cost and insurance are negligible if you’re looking @ $30k cars and have a clean driving record.

4 cylinder and 6 cylinder guys, if you are happy you shouldnt have to justify your choice. To me, that just looks like buyers remorse.

I’ve never driven the 4 banger, but the v6 sounds great, and is a quick pony. The v6 1le is just fantastic. I wouldn’t mind the v6 1le one bit, and that’s coming from a guy who daily drives his SS every day of the year, no hibernation.

[Nsxmatt]

Originally Posted by srcstc

No I meant someone that bought a 6th gen SS and wished they'd bought the V6 instead.


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I’m quite sure there are a lot of SS owners up to their eyeballs in debt with a $800 a month payment and a maxed out credit card for mods wishing they would have got the V6. But you won’t hear them admit it on here.

[soloknight6]

Originally Posted by Nsxmatt

I’m quite sure there are a lot of SS owners up to their eyeballs in debt with a $800 a month payment and a maxed out credit card for mods wishing they would have got the V6. But you won’t hear them admit it on here.

Are you assuming everyone makes the same amount of money?

[Nsxmatt]

Originally Posted by soloknight6

A fully loaded 2SS with under 10k miles can be had for the same price as a new RS.

Show me a fully loaded SS with under 10k miles for $22k.

I’ll wait...

[Nsxmatt]

Originally Posted by soloknight6

Are you assuming everyone makes the same amount of money?

You’re assuming I’m talking about everybody. Reading is your friend.

[soloknight6]

Originally Posted by Nsxmatt

Show me a fully loaded SS with under 10k miles for $22k.

I’ll wait...

Re read my post... show me where I said you could get an SS for 22k..