[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by SS376

Hopefully the refresh looks good and the issues start to decrease. I would like to be able to put a Camaro back on my shopping list again when it's time to replace my 5th gen.

You should go drive 6 gen ,either a 1Le or SS with mag . I wouldn't let any past issues stand in your way of getting a camaro , its very solid . As far as the refresh goes i feel half the people will like and the other half won't . I liked the styling that carried over from the 5th gen and how they expanded from there . Its nice to see its evolving away from the retro look, but i think most people don't feel the same way as i do . Back in 1981 if someone would have told me in 30 years the camaro will resemble a 1969 camaro and built on a cadillac platform i would have told them they are nuts.

[Badmojo]

I did get $2000 in "conquest cash." The Camaro needs more cross-over buyers, not just from Mustangs (which is rare) but from truck and luxury buyers. The ZL1 cost as much as a BMW M3, but destroys it performance wise. No one gives two $hits about another BMW in my parking garage at work. Everyone is talking about my ZL1.

This isn't a problem that this forum can solve, but for GM to figure out. I think they also need to go "sexist" and push the "you can tell your wife it is 4 passenger (wink-wink)."

Originally Posted by metros11

I have to agree with your take. There is almost zero marketing. As someone who wasn't even into Camaros, I didn't know Gen6 was a completely different car from Gen5. At a quick glance they look almost identical. What drew me to "pony" cars was the Mustang. I really liked the MY '13-14 but was waiting on Gen6 to be released with the IRS. Once it was, and I had read about how the '15 GT lost to a '15 Gen5 Camaro on the track, that drew my attention. I was also intrigued in the GT350 as I'm a twisties over straight line type, and when the 1LE came out and all the publications started gushing about the performance value, I was sold. Vast majority don't know what the car can do, even some of the track rats.

[hawk02]

Stopped by my Chevy dealer this afternoon. They have eight Camaros on the lot. five were SS and three were ZL1. Not a single v6 or turbo 4. That means anyone interested in a Camaro right now is looking at an MSRP between $40 and $70 grand. If this is representative of other dealers, it could explain why January sales were so off.

Vette wise, my dealer had seven of them. Four were grand sports and three were Stingrays. No ZO6.

['01LS1]

Originally Posted by hawk02

Stopped by my Chevy dealer this afternoon. They have eight Camaros on the lot. five were SS and three were ZL1. Not a single v6 or turbo 4. That means anyone interested in a Camaro right now is looking at an MSRP between $40 and $70 grand. If this is representative of other dealers, it could explain why January sales were so off.

Vette wise, my dealer had seven of them. Four were grand sports and three were Stingrays. No ZO6.

As mentioned earlier, we have the opposite problem. The few Camaros our dealer has for stock is a split of 4 & 6 cyl. If it is an SS, it is almost guaranteed a convertible. That is it. The guy that places orders for them did not know what a 1LE was back in 2015. They may still not as have never seen one in their stock.

You guys have Coughlin Chevrolet around Columbus. Know they use to keep some decent stock & they move a ton of Corvettes.

[Oil Man]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

That's basically 56 cars for each State. If you break it down that way, yea, kind of bad. 56 Camaro's sold last month in each State. If you just go by avg's. That's scary actually.

Or... 300 per State where you can actually drive the car year around or in January. As someone else mentioned, this has got to be about the slowest month of the year for selling performance cars.

Matson Shipping is on the next pier over from where I work, and they do most of the heavy lifting for domestic car shipping to Hawaii. I saw at least a dozen 6th gens amongst the other GM vehicles heading to Hawaii in the storage lot the other day.

And it took a year or so, but I see A LOT of 6th Gens on the freeways here in SoCal compared to last year. I think the car was slow to catch on, but it's catching on.

[metros11]

Originally Posted by Badmojo

This isn't a problem that this forum can solve, but for GM to figure out. I think they also need to go "sexist" and push the "you can tell your wife it is 4 passenger (wink-wink)."

Funny you say this, my wife told she was okay with me getting whatever as long as the kids can fit. They can.

[Badmojo]

Originally Posted by metros11

Funny you say this, my wife told she was okay with me getting whatever as long as the kids can fit. They can.

I've had 3 kids in the car. A 5 year old and 7 year old in boosters in the back plus a 10 year old in the front. Just a warning that a 7 year old in a booster is almost touching the headliner with her head.

[dpevans]

Seeing how overall auto sales are down and Ford is down over 6% I don't see where people are buying luxury items such as Camaro. Camaro is a luxury item.

[flaps100]

Same thing here, lousy selection, expecially of SS models in any descent color. If you want White Silver or Black you can choose from a few total, none for under 38,000 in SS form. Really lousy selection.

Has to hurt sales.

Originally Posted by hawk02

Stopped by my Chevy dealer this afternoon. They have eight Camaros on the lot. five were SS and three were ZL1. Not a single v6 or turbo 4. That means anyone interested in a Camaro right now is looking at an MSRP between $40 and $70 grand. If this is representative of other dealers, it could explain why January sales were so off.

Vette wise, my dealer had seven of them. Four were grand sports and three were Stingrays. No ZO6.

[Bongos2U]

Originally Posted by Oil Man

Or... 300 per State where you can actually drive the car year around or in January. As someone else mentioned, this has got to be about the slowest month of the year for selling performance cars.

Matson Shipping is on the next pier over from where I work, and they do most of the heavy lifting for domestic car shipping to Hawaii. I saw at least a dozen 6th gens amongst the other GM vehicles heading to Hawaii in the storage lot the other day.

And it took a year or so, but I see A LOT of 6th Gens on the freeways here in SoCal compared to last year. I think the car was slow to catch on, but it's catching on.

Same here. Good to see more 6th gen. Camaros on the road. It's funny, but I see more new Challengers than new Mustangs in my area of SoCal.

[fkscreennames]

Originally Posted by Koldunic

The brand resonate more. People here think it’s more prestigious to own a Mustang than a Camaro ( lol I know ). I don’t understand why.

Why are you shitting on the Mustang when you own one?

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by Number 3

First, those that say the Camaro isn't going anywhere are correct. GM isn't going to simply stop selling the car over a really bad month or even the really bad year it has had. For one, ATS and CTS sales are so bad they would have to accept hoisting all the plant overhead on 20,000 Cadillacs. It's all tied together now.

What is at risk is GM's willingness to invest more money in the car. It s all about return on invested capital. And if there is more money to be made in an EV, autonomous vehicle or truck or SUV, that's where it will go. This is what fappened in 1999/2000. GM simply determined the return on investment wasn't there and the car ultimately went away.

So the car doesn't go away, but does GM delay the Gen7? That is the near term risk. And saying spend even MORE to make it even better won't work in a world where sedan and car sales are weakening. Only Accord and Camry seem to be bucking the trend.

Part of the answer is in the comparison of L4 and V6 sales. Most people buying what is a V8 sports car easily justify or over look or don't even see the cars flaws. Someone that isn't a car person who isn't really able to understand how good the SS, 1LE and ZL1 are is looking for different things in a sporty coupe. For them visibility and trunk space are important factors. In 2002 V8 sales were pretty much flat but V6 sales were evaporating.

One other point. Profit margin per car is hugely dependent on volume and the business case for the car. Profit per vehicle goes down as volume goes down. There are fixed costs involved. At the most basic level, heat light and taxes for the plant get spread over fewer units so those costs per car go up.

I think it is partly the automotive environment where coupes are nearly non existent in the market. Sedans are selling terribly. Even Ford just cancelled the 2020 Fusion. The market is changing as are the customers.

Yes, they cancelled the 2020 Fusion update, and much more:

The latest sign of the shift came last week, when Ford announced it would reallocate $7 billion of research and development funds from cars to SUVs and trucks. It also said it would drop some car models in the years ahead.

As Ford trims its car lineup “we’re shifting from cars to utilities,” said James Farley, president of global markets for Ford at an investor’s conference Tuesday. Ford’s SUV sales are expected to more than double worldwide, mostly at the expense of car sales, which have fallen.

http://fox17online.com/2018/01/22/am...are-vanishing/

Interesting that Honda and Toyota have seen sedan sales sink, yet their reaction was to up their game, rather than bail out and it's working.

Originally Posted by motorhead

So you are saying that I need to be buying stock into companies that are heavily vested in the EV and autonomous vehicle technologies? Guess the hard part is figuring out which one will be the next Apple or Amazon of that world.

GM is neck deep in EV and Autonomous. Delphi is now autonomy development only.

Originally Posted by SS376

Glad you like it. The sales numbers seem to suggest that a lot of people don't.

Being a 6th gen forum - we ALL like it.

Originally Posted by metros11

There is definitely truth to this. The Mustang name carries more weight.

Originally Posted by Koldunic

The brand resonate more. People here think it’s more prestigious to own a Mustang than a Camaro ( lol I know ). I don’t understand why.

This survey agrees. Camaro is on the list though...

The top dream car cited by respondents from all over the U.S. was the Ford Mustang, closely followed by the Tesla Model S, Jeep Wrangler, Chevrolet Corvette, and Chevrolet Camaro. While the Camaro was chosen equally by men and women, the Corvette and Tesla Model S were chosen more often by men. The Mustang was selected by women more than men by nearly a 2:1 margin while the Wrangler was cited by respondents that were 81 percent female.

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/...made-cars.html

[Koldunic]

Originally Posted by fkscreennames

Why are you shitting on the Mustang when you own one?

I have said many times on this board that I love my car and with enough money I would keep both.

I just don’t understand why it’s more prestigious to buy a Mustang than a Camaro. I find this to be laughable. I never said it was more prestigious to buy a Camaro than a Mustang.

I love cars. I love my GT but I see it’s flaws. It will be the same with the ZL1.

[WhiteyDog]

Originally Posted by Koldunic

I have said many times on this board that I love my car and with enough money I would keep both.

I just don’t understand why it’s more prestigious to buy a Mustang than a Camaro. I find this to be laughable. I never said it was more prestigious to buy a Camaro than a Mustang.

I love cars. I love my GT but I see it’s flaws. It will be the same with the ZL1.

My thoughts exactly on all these points.