[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by newmoon

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What has been established is the fastest independent pass for the 18 A10 GT is 11:80s, with several other 12:00s achieved in a 3-month period. The fastest independent pass for the SS is 12:20s, until somebody can show me otherwise. Again we are not talking about private owners making unverified supposed stock passes.

Folks can cry about driver/conditions all you want but the SS has had 2.5 years and endless reviews to get the same done.

No, the only thing that has been established is that the "fastest" reported time came from a car with a questionable delivery process. As for the other 12:00's that we've seen. They've all come in low DA, during the winter, and some if not most are tuned, or have drag pak, etc....

And look, Evan's time is damn impressive....but cmon you can't absolutely think his time is repeatable outside of perfect conditions.... show me a junk track where you show up no prep....and I can absolutely promise you wont sniff anywhere near 11.8

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

I seem to notice the only negative feedback of the GT is all from a performance perspective, I don't see much talk of "it's ugly, I can't change lanes without whimpering a little, and so on".

Everyone I've seen commenting on the new Mustang has for the most part, hated it....lots of the catfish comments....and I'm friends with the local Mustang chapter president. Granted, they're an older crowd but still....those comments are out there quite a bit, especially on Facebook...

Originally Posted by ST1LE

There is not enough reliable evidence to start making the claims Mustang guys have been making. ANY of them, that is. On this forum or the others.

I think that's really all that many of us have been trying to say. Evan's run is highly questionable, no matter how you cut it. Most people can't even match his trap speed or his 60 ft it seems...and the fact that it is such an outlier of other runs, it seems off. And regardless of the ridiculousness of it, the car wasn't received from a dealership, it was received from a 3rd party that works for Ford.... so yeah... I'd call it questionable..

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

They are all car enthusiasts, but bone stock performance is all that matters.

Because at the end of the day, that's all you can really brag on...is bone stock. Everything after that is how much money you're willing to spend. If I take a bone stock car and run your bone stock car, that's where the bragging rights begins....

More to the point, even in this thread which has completely gone off the rails, there are constant comments about how the new A10 will compete with a ZL1.....or a Z06....and the answer to that is no....not at all.... once you start throwing in tunes, tires, etc....sure...you might have a chance....but in a real drivers race, no....

And I know that it wasn't all the Mustang crowd saying that either....so I'm not giving the Camaro crowd a free pass either..

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Everyone I've seen commenting on the new Mustang has for the most part, hated it....lots of the catfish comments....and I'm friends with the local Mustang chapter president. Granted, they're an older crowd but still....those comments are out there quite a bit, especially on Facebook...

Sorry, I should have been more clear. I meant strictly in this thread.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

No, the only thing that has been established is that the "fastest" reported time came from a car with a questionable delivery process. As for the other 12:00's that we've seen. They've all come in low DA, during the winter, and some if not most are tuned, or have drag pak, etc....

And look, Evan's time is damn impressive....but cmon you can't absolutely think his time is repeatable outside of perfect conditions.... show me a junk track where you show up no prep....and I can absolutely promise you wont sniff anywhere near 11.8

Honest question for you. What was questionable about the delivery? Evan obtained a “manufacturer” car the same way motortrend, car and driver or any other major publication obtains their press vehicles. To say that particular event was questionable is to say every single magazine article would then be questionable.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Honest question for you. What was questionable about the delivery? Evan obtained a “manufacturer” car the same way motortrend, car and driver or any other major publication obtains their press vehicles. To say that particular event was questionable is to say every single magazine article would then be questionable.

It's questionable because it is almost 4-tenths faster than any documented pass they can point to for the SS, so it can't be true, they must have cheated. But then we are expected to not have a problem with private owners claiming similar in the SS.

[ST1LE]

What wont be questionable is all the butt hurt from '18 buyers when they cant reproduce that run, or even come close.

[FastCarFanBoy]

you would think Ford would have made sure that ringer went to MT or C&D instead of Hot Rod.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

What wont be questionable is all the butt hurt from '18 buyers when they cant reproduce that run, or even come close.

Apply for the coyote FB Page. Apparently there have been a few 11.9X runs within the past week. Even when the 12.0 stock times came out from LMR, everyone in here pronounced “hero run”. The same damn thing happened when the first 6th gen camaros started hitting 11’s, but “hero run” was proclaimed by the mustang crowd. Give it time and you’ll see plenty of 11’s once more people actually start running them regularly.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Honest question for you. What was questionable about the delivery? Evan obtained a “manufacturer” car the same way motortrend, car and driver or any other major publication obtains their press vehicles. To say that particular event was questionable is to say every single magazine article would then be questionable.

Of course it's questionable. Every other single tuner out on the market was struggling to crack 12's....and Evan has a magical GT that he has to come all the way to Michigan for....and he goes out and BAM! runs an 11.8...

And no one has replicated it since....not from a legit company or driver. I'm not going to naysay the other guys on youtube and what not, but I also have seen too many bogus videos where people have cheated it.... I believe even you brought up Evan's run in the 4th Gen Camaro where it was believed he BS'd the information...

Originally Posted by newmoon

It's questionable because it is almost 4-tenths faster than any documented pass they can point to for the SS, so it can't be true, they must have cheated. But then we are expected to not have a problem with private owners claiming similar in the SS.

4 tenths?

http://www.epicspeed.net/stock-2016-...14-mile-11-99/

Try 1/10th.... and that was set over a year ago....

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Apply for the coyote FB Page. Apparently there have been a few 11.9X runs within the past week. Even when the 12.0 stock times came out from LMR, everyone in here pronounced “hero run”. The same damn thing happened when the first 6th gen camaros started hitting 11’s, but “hero run” was proclaimed by the mustang crowd. Give it time and you’ll see plenty of 11’s once more people actually start running them regularly.

Not really, because once all the cool air goes bye bye, they wont be sniffing 11's stock...

We can talk all day about the negative DA, perfect track prep, colder air.... and both cars will perform well in these conditions...

However, same day, same track, same conditions, the Camaro has won every time..

[Buzzberd6]

I wonder if he ever tires of this? Knowing him as long as I have, I would imagine he just laughs it off.

Jeff Probst



Randy Pobst

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Apply for the coyote FB Page. Apparently there have been a few 11.9X runs within the past week. Even when the 12.0 stock times came out from LMR, everyone in here pronounced “hero run”. The same damn thing happened when the first 6th gen camaros started hitting 11’s, but “hero run” was proclaimed by the mustang crowd. Give it time and you’ll see plenty of 11’s once more people actually start running them regularly.

Yeah, neither camp is immune to that behavior. Hero run or not, more results is all I have ever wanted. Sounds like they're starting to come in though!

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Of course it's questionable. Every other single tuner out on the market was struggling to crack 12's....and Evan has a magical GT that he has to come all the way to Michigan for....and he goes out and BAM! runs an 11.8...

And no one has replicated it since....not from a legit company or driver. I'm not going to naysay the other guys on youtube and what not, but I also have seen too many bogus videos where people have cheated it.... I believe even you brought up Evan's run in the 4th Gen Camaro where it was believed he BS'd the information...




4 tenths?

http://www.epicspeed.net/stock-2016-...14-mile-11-99/

Try 1/10th.... and that was set over a year ago....

The very first published run by LMR ran a 12.0x with 3-4 runs before they were rained out. 11.8 is not that far off considering it was in better air with a better driver.

As for the mustang, they all come from Michigan. They all have Michigan manufacturer plates. Auto manufacturers don’t have press cars available in every state for every publication. Had ford been given enough notice they likely would have shipped the car to Florida. This isn’t any different than how any other publication obtains their test vehicles.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

The very first published run by LMR ran a 12.0x with 3-4 runs before they were rained out. 11.8 is not that far off considering it was in better air with a better driver.

As for the mustang, they all come from Michigan. They all have Michigan manufacturer plates. Auto manufacturers don’t have press cars available in every state for every publication. Had ford been given enough notice they likely would have shipped the car to Florida. This isn’t any different than how any other publication obtains their test vehicles.

Performance Pack car with 301a package and 3.55 gears.. on a clean track.


Evan's car was a 3.55 car that had the 401a package, Safe & Smart package, Enhanced Security, Active Exhaust, Shaker Pro Audio System, GT Performance Pack and MagneRide which made the car even heavier than LMR's car. On top of all that.... no one from any publication has replicated that effort...

Not a single one...