[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by shaffe

While a fair opinion, when you read reviews of the ST cars, reviewers loved them. Owners loved them. I test drove a Focus ST in late summer and man that thing was an absolute blast to drive. If baby #1 wasn't on the way I would most likely have bought it.

Looks like you made the right choice, at least for a bit..

https://jalopnik.com/ford-says-about...ium=socialflow

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

How do you feel about this? On the same price point, there is no V8 Mustang that can beat any V8 Camaro in any performance metric. When starting at the base model, and then going up 1 trim at a time, the V8 Mustang will lose every performance metric to the V8 Camaro. When both cars are equally optioned, there is no V8 Mustang that can beat a V8 Camaro in anything performance related.

We have yet to see a head to head with an A10 mustang vs A8 camaro. This could “possibly” be a win for the ford fan base.

Until then, you are absolutely correct. The M6 GT is damn close in acceleration, but still a tick behind.

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

How do you feel about this? On the same price point, there is no V8 Mustang that can beat any V8 Camaro in any performance metric. When starting at the base model, and then going up 1 trim at a time, the V8 Mustang will lose every performance metric to the V8 Camaro. When both cars are equally optioned, there is no V8 Mustang that can beat a V8 Camaro in anything performance related.

You have great a point. Camaro does indeed outperform their Mustang counterparts off the showroom floor. It's a damn good thing we live in a world were you can only race cars that are equivalent levels of model, trim, and mods. Otherwide the world would be a chaotic mess of people thinking they can legitimately race whatever they want against whoever/whatever will acquiesce.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

We have yet to see a head to head with an A10 mustang vs A8 camaro. This could “possibly” be a win for the ford fan base.

Until then, you are absolutely correct. The M6 GT is damn close in acceleration, but still a tick behind.

I agree. The A10 in the Mustang should have it running basically heads up with the Camaro. If not, maybe.........edging it out by a bumper/fender length.

As mentioned. If the 500 comes with the A10 or a DCT, a fat rear tire, and over 700 hp to the wheels, and some carbon goodies and keeps the price point around $75k. I'm in. Say bye bye to my Zl1.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

I agree. The A10 in the Mustang should have it running basically heads up with the Camaro. If not, maybe.........edging it out by a bumper/fender length.

As mentioned. If the 500 comes with the A10 or a DCT, a fat rear tire, and over 700 hp to the wheels, and some carbon goodies and keeps the price point around $75k. I'm in. Say bye bye to my Zl1.

Yeah, I think I am going to want a GT500 pretty bad too. If I didn't just buy my first house, I think there wouldn't be anything else stopping me.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

We have yet to see a head to head with an A10 mustang vs A8 camaro. This could “possibly” be a win for the ford fan base.

Until then, you are absolutely correct. The M6 GT is damn close in acceleration, but still a tick behind.

Let's not forget we have seen a media review of the GT with A10, and it was the same ET as the M6 did in the H2H. Granted this A10 was not a PP1, did have upgraded wheels/tires(still A/S though), and we don't know if it was a 3.15 or 3.55 car. All that said, I don't see the MP4S making that much a difference in ET. But I do keep thinking about the Lund car's times with the same setup in perfect conditions. Either way, we need an A8 vs A10 with PP1 comparison. But doubt we will ever get one.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Looks like you made the right choice, at least for a bit..

https://jalopnik.com/ford-says-about...ium=socialflow

Damn I hadn't heard about the issues but that sucks. Good to see that it looks like they are owning up to the problem though

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

We have yet to see a head to head with an A10 mustang vs A8 camaro. This could “possibly” be a win for the ford fan base.

Until then, you are absolutely correct. The M6 GT is damn close in acceleration, but still a tick behind.

We also have yet to see a H2H with a tune/tire GT vs a ZL1 but that never stopped you from comparing the times. So let me say it again. At it's best and fastest run, the A10 GT has tested slower than the best/fastest M6 SS run and A8 SS run. Now you can avoid it all you want since it doesn't suit you. But the fastest A8 Camaro SS went 12.3. Has any Mustang GT tested at 12.3?

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

We also have yet to see a H2H with a tune/tire GT vs a ZL1 but that never stopped you from comparing the times. So let me say it again. At it's best and fastest run, the A10 GT has tested slower than the best/fastest M6 SS run and A8 SS run. Now you can avoid it all you want since it doesn't suit you. But the fastest A8 Camaro SS went 12.3. Has any Mustang GT tested at 12.3?

No. And it likely won't.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

You have great a point. Camaro does indeed outperform their Mustang counterparts off the showroom floor. It's a damn good thing we live in a world were you can only race cars that are equivalent levels of model, trim, and mods. Otherwide the world would be a chaotic mess of people thinking they can legitimately race whatever they want against whoever/whatever will acquiesce.

The point is that the Mustang guys all keep crying that these tests were all in favor of the Camaro or that none of them were apples to apples. Yet in each test they were either the same trim level or the same/similar price point. And the Mustang has lost each and every performance comparison in each and every test between the two cars.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Let's not forget we have seen a media review of the GT with A10, and it was the same ET as the M6 did in the H2H. Granted this A10 was not a PP1, did have upgraded wheels/tires(still A/S though), and we don't know if it was a 3.15 or 3.55 car. All that said, I don't see the MP4S making that much a difference in ET. But I do keep thinking about the Lund car's times with the same setup in perfect conditions. Either way, we need an A8 vs A10 with PP1 comparison. But doubt we will ever get one.

If you're referring to the Edmunds review of the GT, which was an A10...the specs on that car were as follows:

2018 Mustang GT - Premium with 401a package, Safety package, Audio package, black accent package, 19x8" wheels...

A10 transmission - 3:15 gears - A/S tires

2018 Mustang GT - A10 trans
12.6 @ 115.4 mph
0-60 @ 4.6 sec
0-60 rollout @ 4.4 sec

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

We also have yet to see a H2H with a tune/tire GT vs a ZL1 but that never stopped you from comparing the times. So let me say it again. At it's best and fastest run, the A10 GT has tested slower than the best/fastest M6 SS run and A8 SS run. Now you can avoid it all you want since it doesn't suit you. But the fastest A8 Camaro SS went 12.3. Has any Mustang GT tested at 12.3?

Stock? I think that one YouTuber got a 12.1 in his, but if I recall, he's tuned. But, I'm not 100% sure.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

We also have yet to see a H2H with a tune/tire GT vs a ZL1 but that never stopped you from comparing the times. So let me say it again. At it's best and fastest run, the A10 GT has tested slower than the best/fastest M6 SS run and A8 SS run. Now you can avoid it all you want since it doesn't suit you. But the fastest A8 Camaro SS went 12.3. Has any Mustang GT tested at 12.3?

The only A10 that was tested has been done by....Edmunds. I'm sure when motortrend posts a 12.3 (If they ever test the A10), you will totally ignore it and revert to the Edmunds time as gospel.

Originally Posted by kttxz06

Stock? I think that one YouTuber got a 12.1 in his, but if I recall, he's tuned. But, I'm not 100% sure.

Evan smith cracked 11's. There have been a few 12.0's (LMR) and some other high 11's on FB. The MPH shows this car is going to run right with the SS at the strip, but so few runs have been recorded so far it's difficult to tell what the average is going to be. I recall the exact same thing happening when the 2016 SS were released. Patience.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

The only A10 that was tested has been done by....Edmunds. I'm sure when motortrend posts a 12.3 (If they ever test the A10), you will totally ignore it and revert to the Edmunds time as gospel.

C'mon dude, no one takes the Edmunds review seriously, but damn....12.6? I mean, were they going in reverse? When you get beat by a manual SS, there's no excuse for dat..