[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by shaffe

We will have to agree to disagree on that, I'll trust the head guy Al saying and I'm paraphrasing "We didn't address the poor visibility from the 5th gen because people wanted the styling to stay the same but its a little better" The head honcho, basically straight up said we know the visibility is bad but chose style over giving the car better visibility.

We agree man, it's bad. Just not an issue if you know how to drive is all.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by Syphon23

They even come over here, copy my posts and repost them over there. Thats borderline psychopathic behavior.

Then they try to diss my Corvette. When my little 08 LS3 will still put a hurting on an 18 Mustang with just a CAI/Exhaust and Tune.

HAHAHAHAHA, I noticed that too when I was reading about how apparently the C7 and the '18 GT are now a driver's race. You know the butt hurt is strong when they start that quoting from other forums.

I think the quote was something like "I will run every C7 I can, its a driver's race now."

To say that, when magazine tests show it can't even beat the M6 SS........sad. Dude is setting himself up for some serious heartbreak.

Side note, an '18 passed me on the highway this morning. I really like the new taillights!

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

Um, shall we also add a prepped track in ideal air with a hero driver mod. So, it really has 6 mods. And isn't this the same car that snapped the drive axle? Oops.

This is what the fanboys do over on the Mustang forums. I know because I posted a Youtube video of me snapping off a 10.46 quarter time on street tires. I had my video up prob a good hour on a straight call out to '18 GT owners to come get some.

BlaqWhole knows. I had over 100 comments within a hour stating.............................the run was fake. You aren't stock. Since when did we compare a GT to the Zl1? Then, I posted forum links. Again, silence. They continued to claim nobody has ever said a tuned/tire/and fuel GT would slay a ZL1. Then I sent about 10 YouTube links where there were several dozen, if not a hundred comments after the Lund run.

Watch out Zl1 owners. We are coming. These are from people who own no '18 GT's. They saw the Lund run, then claimed the GT was a 11 sec out the box car. Then the real world testing came out and it flat lined. Eh, we can go on and on.

My call out remains. I'm still waiting to see a '18 GT on the street so I can fkn smash em. Shoot, even a blowered GT will not run with a Zl1. Sorry.

Lunds run..........again. In ideal air. Super hero driver mod on a prepped, closed track.

I can take my Zl1 out to the track on a rental. Throw down some sticky, get my car to hook and crack off a low 10 seconds. Then get on the net and proclaim to the world that I have a low 10 sec car. The difference is, the Camaro crowd won't take that one run, then proclaim the Zl1 a McLaren beater. Get our point yet? Or do we need to write it in crayon for you?

Wow, this is so wrong on so many levels. You need to go visit the the power adder 1/4 mile fast list, no. 20 on the list is a 10:33 @ 134-mph. This was with the 15-17 models, what do you think a power adder 18 w/A10s will run? A power adder GT is going to give you all you can handle and then some.

Here is a good example of a supercharged 18GT A-10, compare this rwhp from that seen from a ZL1 and you should get an idea of the potential.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Wow, this is so wrong on so many levels. You need to go visit the the power adder 1/4 mile fast list, no. 20 on the list is a 10:33 @ 134-mph. This was with the 15-17 models, what do you think a power adder 18 w/A10s will run? A power adder GT is going to give you all you can handle and then some.

Here is a good example of a supercharged 18GT A-10, compare this rwhp from that seen from a ZL1 and you should get an idea of the potential.

Blower and nothing else and it won't touch a ZL1. It would need tires and suspension mods. And at that point it is a highly modded GT against a stock ZL1. BTW, I saw plenty of blown S550 GTs at my track last Summer. They were in the mid to high 11s.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

By the way, the coyote facebook page has a few more stock high 11 second runs that have been posted. You of course will refuse to believe them, as all mustang owners lie about being stock and only camaro owners are truthful.

You desperately want us to care and we just don't. The GT is not doing anything that we haven't been doing since the end of 2015. It took a hell of a lot to finally get you here. And at the end of the day you have a one-trick pony that can run well in a straight line but gets completely obliterated in every other performance category. And STILL manages to lose to it's top competitor in the quarter mile. So what are we supposed to be impressed with? The fact that it still loses in everything but got slightly faster than the 15-17 in a straight line? I find it impressive that Ford has all these changes and modes and options and revisions and still lost.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

The fact that it still loses in everything but got slightly faster than the 15-17 in a straight line?

So the MY18 mustang is a drivers race with the 6th gen camaro, but only slightly faster than a 15-17? So that makes the 6th gen only slightly faster than a 15-17 as well. Cool.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

So the MY18 mustang is a drivers race with the 6th gen camaro, but only slightly faster than a 15-17? So that makes the 6th gen only slightly faster than a 15-17 as well. Cool.

Why are you guys still here singing the Mustangs praises? It ran a 12.6. Twice. Yes it's faster than the 15-17 but so was everything else on the road. You keep trying to compare modded cars to stock SS cars and honestly Blaq is right: no one cares about the 18 Mustang.

Times have changed in the Pony Car segment. At 50k not many people want a car that has a "mess" with the steering, a phonebook waterbed feel, and still the slowest 1/4 of the herd. The current 18 GT doesn't do anything at this point better than the competition does. Absolutely nothing.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

Why are you guys still here singing the Mustangs praises? It ran a 12.6. Twice. Yes it's faster than the 15-17 but so was everything else on the road. You keep trying to compare modded cars to stock SS cars and honestly Blaq is right: no one cares about the 18 Mustang.

And yet again, BlaqWhole brought up the lightly modded GT vs stock ZL1 argument again.

But here we are, talking about the MY18GT that no one cares about…71 pages in a thread later.

Originally Posted by Chadicus

Times have changed in the Pony Car segment. At 50k not many people want a car that has a "mess" with the steering, a phonebook waterbed feel, and still the slowest 1/4 of the herd. The current 18 GT doesn't do anything at this point better than the competition does. Absolutely nothing.

Crazy, the S550 mustang continues to destroy the camaro in sales. It seems the public doesn’t seem to feel that “has a "mess" with the steering, a phonebook waterbed feel”. Crazy, right?

[SuperSound]

Ran across this in another thread. Think this is an interesting read...

"Ford just teased the GT500. Where do you see the GT500 vs. ZL1 rivalry going?

(Al O.)I think they’ve got a lot to catch up on. They haven’t had anything for a while. I think our SS 1LE pretty much put the GT350R in second place, all around. Anybody that’s evaluated them head-to-head, it’s a better deal on price and performance. So the ZL1 is our triple-threat car, best of the track, street, and strip. We’ve pushed the limits with the ZL1 1LE, so we’ve got a nice ZL1 package, depending on what your needs are. We’ve put the bar pretty high. We’ve shown in two generations it’s not only about horsepower, it’s “can you get that horsepower to turn?” Is their mission to be street/strip? Is their mission to be a triple threat like we are? We’re ready. We’ve seen them around town in camouflage and so on. Again, I love the fact that we keep swinging at each other because it keeps the segment relevant and it keeps people asking, “What are you doing next?” We’re never going to stop, but we’ve done quite a bit to raise the bar on the ZL1 family."

https://www.hagerty.com/articles-vid...iser-interview

[shaffe]

And Al isn't lying They do have a lot to catch up on. I'd agree with others here that have stated that's probably why it was so delayed.

And the never going to stop bit is interesting. Sounds to me like maybe the sitting pat last gen they realized might have been mistake.

[MazzaBL]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

And yet again, BlaqWhole brought up the lightly modded GT vs stock ZL1 argument again.

But here we are, talking about the MY18GT that no one cares about…71 pages in a thread later.



Crazy, the S550 mustang continues to destroy the camaro in sales. It seems the public doesn’t seem to feel that “has a "mess" with the steering, a phonebook waterbed feel”. Crazy, right?

Congrats, all that proves is that ford is selling more base model mustangs to 16 year old girls just getting their license. You don’t really think the primary demographic of mustang sales are enthusiasts buying fully optioned GT’s do you? Fact is GM is just building better performance cars these days and they also care more about the smaller demographic of enthusiasts who buy these cars. GM offers a performance vehicle for just about every price point of consumers, and when you compare GM vehicles to their equal trim competition, you get way more value for your money with GM. The mustang is a great car, my past 3 cars were mustangs, but ford just doesn’t care about being competitive as they know the mustang will sell regardless, and the small demographic of enthusiasts will buy the car regardless of performing sub par to the competition due to brand loyalty as well as the history it has of being the original iconic pony car. And let’s not get started on the ridiculous mark ups dealers charge for ford halo cars.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by MazzaBL

Congrats, all that proves is that ford is selling more base model mustangs to 16 year old girls just getting their license. You don’t really think the primary demographic of mustang sales are enthusiasts buying fully optioned GT’s do you? Fact is GM is just building better performance cars these days and they also care more about the smaller demographic of enthusiasts who buy these cars. GM offers a performance vehicle for just about every price point of consumers, and when you compare GM vehicles to their equal trim competition, you get way more value for your money with GM. The mustang is a great car, my past 3 cars were mustangs, but ford just doesn’t care about being competitive as they know the mustang will sell regardless, and the small demographic of enthusiasts will buy the car regardless of performing sub par to the competition due to brand loyalty as well as the history it has of being the original iconic pony car. And let’s not get started on the ridiculous mark ups dealers charge for ford halo cars.

Where is GM's option for the Fiesta ST, Focus ST, Focus RS? If GM cared about the smaller demo of performance enthusiasts I think they would have something for the hot hatch market. Where is the Raptor competitor?

GM clearly has the Pony car part nailed and the Vette. But other than that IMO they don't care about the enthusiast demographic as much

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

Shoot, even a blowered GT will not run with a Zl1. Sorry

[MazzaBL]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Where is GM's option for the Fiesta ST, Focus ST, Focus RS? If GM cared about the smaller demo of performance enthusiasts I think they would have something for the hot hatch market. Where is the Raptor competitor?

GM clearly has the Pony car part nailed and the Vette. But other than that IMO they don't care about the enthusiast demographic as much

Fair point, although I did say for every price point, not every type of vehicle. Maybe GM just doesn’t see a big enough US market to produce a hot hatch, who knows. My point was, ford is like the associate at work that does the bare minimum to get by and keep their job, whereas GM is the associate that goes above and beyond to get the job done.