[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Wild One

Why do all the mustangs I come across just a lot of noise?
Must be the mindset?

I was at the car wash today and a S197 GT was there. He was NA obviously. So I'm in my ZL1. And when he goes to leave he starts revving his engine and tries to take off with some authority, lol!! It looked like Playskool My First Mustang or some silly kid-ish shit. I didn't even pay him any attention. That thing is a toy to me, lol!!

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

It is a chemical reaction. Nothing more. It is not forced. Forced induction implies air being forced in via mechanical route. Simply, a mechanical device is forcing enough air into the engine to pressurize the intake tract.

So for argument's sake, if the temp outside drops from 90 degrees to 15 degrees, is that considered "forced induction"? I mean, it's the same thing...more oxygen molecules due to colder air. What about a Killer Chiller system or meth injection? Those systems allow for a denser air charge. Should we consider all those to be "forced induction" as well?

You're implying that mechanical compression is the only way something can be forced. For me I see it different. The motor is being forced ,by way of a chemical reaction, to accept more oxyen thus being forced to accept more fuel than it ever could through running without nitrous. In your example above about a temperature change, the motor is still using the oxyen content that is in the air at said temperature. There is not addtional oxygen(by way of chemical reaction) being introduced, so no it wouldn't be forced induction just because of a temperature change.

[grampa_ss]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I was at the car wash today and a S197 GT was there. He was NA obviously. So I'm in my ZL1. And when he goes to leave he starts revving his engine and tries to take off with some authority, lol!! It looked like Playskool My First Mustang or some silly kid-ish shit. I didn't even pay him any attention. That thing is a toy to me, lol!!

Can't have any fun unless you own a ZL1 or Hellcat?

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by motorhead

You're implying that mechanical compression is the only way something can be forced. For me I see it different. The motor is being forced ,by way of a chemical reaction, to accept more oxyen thus being forced to accept more fuel than it ever could through running without nitrous. In your example above about a temperature change, the motor is still using the oxyen content that is in the air at said temperature. There is not addtional oxygen(by way of chemical reaction) being introduced, so no it wouldn't be forced induction just because of a temperature change.

I'm not implying it, that is what it is.

"Forced Induction Definition: Forced induction is the forced compression of air into an engines cylinders by means of a supercharger or turbocharger."

With nitrous the engine is still breathing naturally...vacuum. It is still pulling the air in. There is nothing pushing (or forcing) the air in. Think of it like a human. We breathe thru negative pressure. Now take a Human and put him on a ventilator and the breathing changes from negative to positive. Well the Human is like the engine and the vent is forced induction...quite literally. Nitrous would be like a rescue inhaler. You activate it and you get a spurt of medication but you still have to breathe it in thru negative pressure. Just like an engine has to breathe in the nitrous. Breathing in a rescue inhaler would allow for more air to enter the lungs. But it is not positive pressure ventilation. Just like an engine sucking in nitrous will allow more air in, but it is not forced in. It is pulled in. Nitrous is a power adder. But it is not forced induction by any means. The engine is still naturally aspirating (meaning: to draw by sucking) the air and the nitrous.

Originally Posted by grampa_ss

Can't have any fun unless you own a ZL1 or Hellcat?

Someone's got a bee in their bonnet. Lighten up skippy.

[FastCarFanBoy]

In other news...a converter is still a bolt-on.

[BlaqWhole]

And the Mustang is still slower...

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

In other news...a converter is still a bolt-on.

Well, if we're holding to dictionary definitions of "forced" in forced induction, then the fact that torque converters bolt to the flywheel...they are indeed "bolt-on".

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I'm not implying it, that is what it is.

"Forced Induction Definition: Forced induction is the forced compression of air into an engines cylinders by means of a supercharger or turbocharger."

With nitrous the engine is still breathing naturally...vacuum. It is still pulling the air in. There is nothing pushing (or forcing) the air in. Think of it like a human. We breathe thru negative pressure. Now take a Human and put him on a ventilator and the breathing changes from negative to positive. Well the Human is like the engine and the vent is forced induction...quite literally. Nitrous would be like a rescue inhaler. You activate it and you get a spurt of medication but you still have to breathe it in thru negative pressure. Just like an engine has to breathe in the nitrous. Breathing in a rescue inhaler would allow for more air to enter the lungs. But it is not positive pressure ventilation. Just like an engine sucking in nitrous will allow more air in, but it is not forced in. It is pulled in. Nitrous is a power adder. But it is not forced induction by any means. The engine is still naturally aspirating (meaning: to draw by sucking) the air and the nitrous.

Someone's got a bee in their bonnet. Lighten up skippy.

We could go on and on and on with this discussion as people been doing for decades. Im not going to change your opinion and you're not going to change mine. It's all in how one chooses to view it. I could go into a long drawn out discussion countering everything you just wrote ,but it would just continue this road to nowhere.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

Well, if we're holding to dictionary definitions of "forced" in forced induction, then the fact that torque converters bolt to the flywheel...they are indeed "bolt-on".

Haha! See Billy Idol gets it.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I'm not implying it, that is what it is.

"Forced Induction Definition: Forced induction is the forced compression of air into an engines cylinders by means of a supercharger or turbocharger."

With nitrous the engine is still breathing naturally...vacuum. It is still pulling the air in. There is nothing pushing (or forcing) the air in. Think of it like a human. We breathe thru negative pressure. Now take a Human and put him on a ventilator and the breathing changes from negative to positive. Well the Human is like the engine and the vent is forced induction...quite literally. Nitrous would be like a rescue inhaler. You activate it and you get a spurt of medication but you still have to breathe it in thru negative pressure. Just like an engine has to breathe in the nitrous. Breathing in a rescue inhaler would allow for more air to enter the lungs. But it is not positive pressure ventilation. Just like an engine sucking in nitrous will allow more air in, but it is not forced in. It is pulled in. Nitrous is a power adder. But it is not forced induction by any means. The engine is still naturally aspirating (meaning: to draw by sucking) the air and the nitrous.

Someone's got a bee in their bonnet. Lighten up skippy.

Well according to wikipedia nitrous is forced induction and if it's on wikipedia it must true! (SARCASM FONT)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_induction

[Wild One]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I was at the car wash today and a S197 GT was there. He was NA obviously. So I'm in my ZL1. And when he goes to leave he starts revving his engine and tries to take off with some authority, lol!! It looked like Playskool My First Mustang or some silly kid-ish shit. I didn't even pay him any attention. That thing is a toy to me, lol!!

Yea I thought it was everywhere

[Wild One]

Originally Posted by grampa_ss

Can't have any fun unless you own a ZL1 or Hellcat?

That’s right grampss!

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I was at the car wash today and a S197 GT was there. He was NA obviously. So I'm in my ZL1. And when he goes to leave he starts revving his engine and tries to take off with some authority, lol!! It looked like Playskool My First Mustang or some silly kid-ish shit. I didn't even pay him any attention. That thing is a toy to me, lol!!

That’s because the Mustang is cheap, ( see many sitting on all used car lots) so young kids can buy them. Then they feel like there king of the road. I’ve encountered many of these in my Vette, and most of them are annoyingly loud but slow. They must feel sound equals power.

[germanicus]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I was at the car wash today and a S197 GT was there. He was NA obviously. So I'm in my ZL1. And when he goes to leave he starts revving his engine and tries to take off with some authority, lol!! It looked like Playskool My First Mustang or some silly kid-ish shit. I didn't even pay him any attention.

You sure about that?