[Mark20242SS]

Was just thinking this, do you all think the main reason the Camaro had decreasing sales and was cancelled for now was the bad vision publicity online and on youtube? plus chevy did not market it much or advertise it.
because I have had 1 S650 GT Mustang and 2 S550 GT Mustangs and the SS Camaro I believe is easily superior in every way, just a higher quality, more of a sports car.
i never drove the challenger but it was easy to tell it was super old tech.
just don't know why camaro did not sell better, it sold good when the 5th gen was out, and they have an older looking interior.
i think the main reason i waited so long was because others would always say you could not see well out of them.
i think the camaro probably has better vision than the corvette and no one complains about them.
just use your mirrors and be aware and i don't see a big visibility difference from the mustang, the rear window is higher in the camaro i can see that difference when looking out the rear.
the whole rear end of the camaro sits higher than the mustang, the way they shaped the car.
hopefully chevy will bring it back with the new gen small blocks that are coming out.

[Bumbleboy92]

2007 - Transformers - 2006 Camaro Concept

2009 - Transformers RotF - 2010 Camaro SS Modified

2011 - Transformers DotM - 2012 Camaro SS Custom

2014 - Transformers AoE - 2014 Camaro Concept Custom

2017 - Transformers TLK - 2016 Camaro Custom (front bumper heavily inspired for 2019+ refresh)

An entire generation of kids grew up with the 5th gen Camaro in Transformers, imo without any real marketing done for the 6th gen it just flew under the radar for everyday folk. Plus the movement towards SUV’s.

They leaned off Bumblebee after the 2017 film, even stopped offering Yellow on the car 2019+ with the closest match being your car. A single year color on a limited run final year.

I say this because I was one of those kids. (The username gives it away lol)

[Need4Camaro]

Advertisement and Price.

Advertisement is obvious, price is the big one though. The SS offers alot and you get what you pay for but many folks were happy with just the bare minimum entry level sports car the Mustang offered for much less and the benefits of the SS were so technical and deeply woven into car enthusiast fabric that not enough people knew why the upgrade was justifiable.

[CHASLT1]

No clue why when the Stang keeps selling like hot cakes. I had a 2021 LT1 and it was fine but the size was just too big for me coming from many Vettes. I lost my C7 in a cane last year and now just got a near 600hp EV6GT and again the size is hard to get used to. I way suck it up and find a used C7 Z06.

[bishopts]

If it takes $15000 to build a camaro that sells for $40000 and you sell 10000 units.
And it takes $12000 to build a equinox that sells for $35000 and you sell 80000 units. Which one will be more likely to stay.

If you take a random group of 1000 people for a survey and ask them what would you be more likely to buy, a 2 door sports car or a 4 door suv for everyday usage? And 950 of them say a suv.

At the end of the day car companies aren't here to make customers happy. They are here to make money.

Camaro has been cut twice now and mustang lives on as a sports car and a dumb electric sports suv. Ford is decent at limiting production numbers on low volume vehicles while also making visual changes to grab intrest. Where GM just writes it up as a loss and scraps the whole idea. The 6th gen platform was by far the best attempt GM did. All versions are very capable performance cars. An almost 300hp 4cyl for the base model showed they came to impress. But enthusiast dont keep the lights on. Volume sales do.
GM has been putting in work to push the corvette out of reach for the regular guy. But I'm sure we will get something dumb that we dont want like a fwd blazer ss that is nothing more than a muffler and stripe package. Yay!...

[lowke]

Poor public education, low testosterone. Gen 6 is a great car for a fair price.

[speedyink1]

These are fantastic cars and I would love to see a return. They are just so nice to drive, and handle so damn well. Plus they look fantastic, I get so many compliments from people. The funny thing is, those same people that compliment it then ask about it, what is it? It seems most people just didn't know they even existed. Mustang, I hate to say it, is more of a household name then Camaro these days. Ford always did really well keeping the name in peoples minds. To the point that, some of those people I end up talking to even ask "Is it a Mustang?" (Let's not get into the fact it's got a damn Chevy badge on it...).


Chevy did have a good thing going with the Transformer movies. Hey, I thought the first one was a fun movie at the time, and the Camaro was a cool looking hero car! It's a shame they had no real marketing plan after that to keep the momentum going.


Also, the SUV takeover...

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by CHASLT1

No clue why when the Stang keeps selling like hot cakes. I had a 2021 LT1 and it was fine but the size was just too big for me coming from many Vettes. I lost my C7 in a cane last year and now just got a near 600hp EV6GT and again the size is hard to get used to. I way suck it up and find a used C7 Z06.

Except Mustang has not been selling like hotcakes. Even with no competition from GM or Dodge. Sales have dropped every year since 2017. They are projected to sell somewhere around 33,000 in 2025. In 2017 they sold 82,000.

By contrast, the Mustang Mach E electric car has outsold Mustang in 2024 and 2025. They've already sold 42,000 year to date this year, compared to Mustang might get to 33,000.

The issue is whether it's vehicle price, vehicle impracticality as an "only car", cost of insurance for high powered coupes and sedans, or something else, the whole performance car market is dropping and has been for years. EXCEPT for dedicated sports cars like Corvette and Porsche. Those vehicles are very rarely the buyers only vehicle so the buyers are more likely to accept compromises for the sake of better performance.

[vince3]

Low testosterone

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by bishopts

If it takes $15000 to build a camaro that sells for $40000 and you sell 10000 units.
And it takes $12000 to build a equinox that sells for $35000 and you sell 80000 units. Which one will be more likely to stay.

If you take a random group of 1000 people for a survey and ask them what would you be more likely to buy, a 2 door sports car or a 4 door suv for everyday usage? And 950 of them say a suv.

At the end of the day car companies aren't here to make customers happy. They are here to make money.

Camaro has been cut twice now and mustang lives on as a sports car and a dumb electric sports suv. Ford is decent at limiting production numbers on low volume vehicles while also making visual changes to grab intrest. Where GM just writes it up as a loss and scraps the whole idea. The 6th gen platform was by far the best attempt GM did. All versions are very capable performance cars. An almost 300hp 4cyl for the base model showed they came to impress. But enthusiast dont keep the lights on. Volume sales do.
GM has been putting in work to push the corvette out of reach for the regular guy. But I'm sure we will get something dumb that we dont want like a fwd blazer ss that is nothing more than a muffler and stripe package. Yay!...

I think for the most part you are spot on. The only thing I would disagree with is the idea of a Blazer SS. There is already a Blazer EV SS and it's an absolute beast. I seriously think they would confuse the market by dropping in a tape job Blazer SS.

The Blazer SS EV has 615 hp, AWD 0-60 in about 3.4s and pretty solid handling, especially for an SUV. Piecing together a Blazer SS would be a wierd waste of money.

[beowulf556]

I think it's just impossible for Camaros to compete with everything else out there in the market, unless you want a Camaro. There is so much tech in cars these days, like self driving, that lure people in.

[Bumbleboy92]

Originally Posted by beowulf556

I think it's just impossible for Camaros to compete with everything else out there in the market, unless you want a Camaro. There is so much tech in cars these days, like self driving, that lure people in.

But then the Mustang should be selling better, one of the options they have on the latest gen is Adaptive Cruise Control (no Blue Cruise/self driving though).

I will admit that the minimum these days is lane keep which we don’t have. Most advanced safety feature on the Camaro is the Forward Collision Alert on 2019+

[CHASLT1]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Except Mustang has not been selling like hotcakes. Even with no competition from GM or Dodge. Sales have dropped every year since 2017. They are projected to sell somewhere around 33,000 in 2025. In 2017 they sold 82,000.

By contrast, the Mustang Mach E electric car has outsold Mustang in 2024 and 2025. They've already sold 42,000 year to date this year, compared to Mustang might get to 33,000.

The issue is whether it's vehicle price, vehicle impracticality as an "only car", cost of insurance for high powered coupes and sedans, or something else, the whole performance car market is dropping and has been for years. EXCEPT for dedicated sports cars like Corvette and Porsche. Those vehicles are very rarely the buyers only vehicle so the buyers are more likely to accept compromises for the sake of better performance.

Maybe not now since the prices are sky high. I had a 2015GT and it was not even close to much older C6's i had.

[CHASLT1]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

I think for the most part you are spot on. The only thing I would disagree with is the idea of a Blazer SS. There is already a Blazer EV SS and it's an absolute beast. I seriously think they would confuse the market by dropping in a tape job Blazer SS.

The Blazer SS EV has 615 hp, AWD 0-60 in about 3.4s and pretty solid handling, especially for an SUV. Piecing together a Blazer SS would be a wierd waste of money.

Too big and don't look good. I would never pay that as i would just get a used C7 way before that. I just got a 2023 EV6GT since it was under 30k used with 14k miles. Pulls better than my C7 but too big and heavy so i won't keep it long. C8 will never work as i can't go fishing offshore as there is no room and never trust the trans out of warranty. Think i will hunt up a used C7 Z06 with low miles. Just nothing being made i really want.