[mkorgan]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthu...KWN?li=BBnbfcL

In the article they write, "A notable power upgrade to the C8 will occur in January 2019, attributable to a new four-cam, 32-valve V-8 set to be presented at NAIAS." Could a toned down version of the motor make it into the Z/28 before the higher horse version gets into the ZORA? Just a thought.

Also in the article, "The C7's final hurrah will occur at next year’s 2017 NAIAS, when a swan-song mega-power edition debuts, possibly wearing the illustrious ZR1 badge." Now I expect that this one might be FI but another possible option for the Z.

Anyway, it looks like GM has some power plants that they have been working on which could debut in less powerful form in the Z/28....if you still believe that the Vette must have the best first, which I don't think is the way things work anymore (see A10).

[Thor142]

I just can't see GM putting an all new engine in the 6th gen z/28. Would I like to see some flashy new powerplant? Absolutely! Who wouldn't? It just doesn't make sense though.

[Posaune]

Originally Posted by Thor142

I just can't see GM putting an all new engine in the 6th gen z/28. Would I like to see some flashy new powerplant? Absolutely! Who wouldn't? It just doesn't make sense though.

Unless most of the development had been completed before for possible use in the C7Z.

[mkorgan]

it would be a great test platform to debut the engine before you throw it into your shiny new flagship vette. I get what you are saying though. Just thought it interesting there may be two motors out there that GM has been quite about.

[Thor142]

Originally Posted by mkorgan

it would be a great test platform to debut the engine before you throw it into your shiny new flagship vette. I get what you are saying though. Just thought it interesting there may be two motors out there that GM has been quite about.

No way man. The Vette guys would be like "seriously you put a leftover camaro motor in my new 100K vette?"

[newb]

Originally Posted by Thor142

I just can't see GM putting an all new engine in the 6th gen z/28. Would I like to see some flashy new powerplant? Absolutely! Who wouldn't? It just doesn't make sense though.

People keep saying it doesn't make sense. I don't understand why not. Remember, the 4th and 5th gen cars were from a broke GM just trying to keep the doors open. R&D money was minimal and the Camaro team had to fight for every penny. Fast forward 10 years (yes it has been that long since most of the 5th gen tech was developed) and GM is far more stable financially. The Camaro is no longer a financial burden and is seen as a big money maker. It only makes sense to continue to pour money into it to keep the momentum. This strategy is evident in the number of performance releases in the last couple of years of the 5th gen. With the 6th gen already on the drawing board they released an over the top Z/28. That is not the mark of a model they are trying to keep on a small budget. GM knows the Camaro is worth spending money on and they realize you have to spend money to make money. I don't know if it will get a special engine or a new engine before the Vette. But it is entirely possible that with well over a year before production, they could have a new engine available and share it with a new model.

[mkorgan]

Originally Posted by Thor142

No way man. The Vette guys would be like "seriously you put a leftover camaro motor in my new 100K vette?"

In the new world order of GM, the Vette does not tell Camaro what it can and cannot do. They Program Groups for each car are completely independent and if the motor division creates a motor that the Camaro team thinks works well in their car and they can make a profit on.....the Vette team has nothing they can do about it. Don't forget, the vette is getting the leftover Camaro 10 speed transmission next year. When GM was reorg'd coming out of bankruptcy, the hierarchial decision making where Vette or Caddy had to get everything new first was flushed out with all the other bad ideas that drove GM in default. The rate of innovation in the industry does not allow for a single model of car to "own" a technology and have proprietary access. If an engine is developed that gives Camaro an advantage over the competition and that motor is ready to go, waiting 2-3 years for it to get in the Vette first just does not work in today's marketplace.

[Mister Will]

When was the last time a high performance V8 went into to a Camaro that was not in the Corvette first?

[Thor142]

Originally Posted by mkorgan

In the new world order of GM, the Vette does not tell Camaro what it can and cannot do. They Program Groups for each car are completely independent and if the motor division creates a motor that the Camaro team thinks works well in their car and they can make a profit on.....the Vette team has nothing they can do about it. Don't forget, the vette is getting the leftover Camaro 10 speed transmission next year. When GM was reorg'd coming out of bankruptcy, the hierarchial decision making where Vette or Caddy had to get everything new first was flushed out with all the other bad ideas that drove GM in default. The rate of innovation in the industry does not allow for a single model of car to "own" a technology and have proprietary access. If an engine is developed that gives Camaro an advantage over the competition and that motor is ready to go, waiting 2-3 years for it to get in the Vette first just does not work in today's marketplace.

Oh ok. So ummm...what engines does team camaro6 use right now and who had them first?

[mkorgan]

Originally Posted by Thor142

Oh ok. So ummm...what engines does team camaro6 use right now and who had them first?

We can do this all day man...the LT1 and LT4 went into the Vette because production cycles lined up. There would be no difference if the Camaro was in the same spot and there was a motor that was ready for production. Like I said, the A10 is going into the Camaro FIRST because production cycles lined up.

[Bhobbs]

Yeah, because all the engine cycles just happen to line up with the Corvette cycles.

There is a reason the line up, and that's because they plan them to. It's not a coincidence.

[KaBoom1701]

There's always a bigger fish in the sea somewhere guys.....lol

[kingbambino22]

Originally Posted by Mister Will

When was the last time a high performance V8 went into to a Camaro that was not in the Corvette first?

302DZ engine 1967

[mkorgan]

Lol. That's all you guys got?? Can't happen because it has not been in the Vette yet? Really?? Let's pretend the Camaro can get something really cool first for once. Hold on, we don't have to pretend....it got the most innovative transmission ever released by a domestic car manufacturer in the A10 so your argument is only valid looking backwards as GM has proven that the Camaro is worthy of debuting technology as much as the Vette, don't forget the suspension on the Gen5 Z/28 which never made it to the Vette yet is far superior to anything the Vette currently offers. You guys sound like the old guys down at the barbershop saying, "back in my day...". Lol. Well, I for one think that the only thing separating the Vette and the Camaro in the eyes of GM now that they have pushed the performance of the Camaro this far is the backseat. No more little brother. Anyway, the more I talk to guys who work closely with GM on the Continental racing circuit, the more I get the feeling that Team Camaro has a real surprise for all of us.