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Old 08-02-2015, 10:23 AM   #1
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Where We Are: Order Banks, Consensus, DOSP and more... (Updated 10/2)

Consensus:
Twice a month GM loads their "Estimated Shipments" into the order workbench. They determine how many of each product a dealer has "earned". Based on a "snapshot" of their inventory, they consider their "adjusted day supply" (ADS) to the national ADS. The dealer then reviews the estimated shipments and enters their 3 month forecast and requested quantities and submit to GM. Unless GM has more capacity at a factory than dealers request, the dealer is limited to what allocation they are assigned. Dealers can turn down allocation, and those units go to dealers that have requested more than GM estimated for them.

Final Consensus:
This is the amount of product the dealer gets after GM has reviewed their requested quantities.

DOSP:
Dealer Order Submission Process is the weekly order cycle. On Thursday dealers can place orders for units allocated to them. Orders must be placed by 9 PM Eastern Time Saturday. Basically they have a three day window to submit orders weekly. If you go to tour dealer and order on a Tuesday, it will actually not go to GM until Thursday. But if you order on a Sunday, you have to wait for the following week to get your order in on that coming Thursday.

The weekly process consists of 4 stages.

1. Constraints Distribution - Dealers are informed on constraints to review before placing orders.

2. Dealer Order Submission - Dealers can order on Thursday, Friday or no later than midnight on Saturday. ( You can submit orders earlier but you don't know the constraints. A Constraint is a limit placed on a specific build configuration )

3. The 4-Pass Process - GM will attempt to place each dealers orders on Mondays using a 4-Pass process. ( At this point a dealer may get more or less than was allocated if they asked.)

4. Dealer Review-You can review your placed orders for changes or replacements until Tuesday at 9pm ET. That's when the orders are sent for production.

Order Entry Available:
This is when GM Work Bench will allow you to build a car in the system. This isn't the same as submitting an order to GM. Mainly the dealer has time to craft the cars they might want ahead of GM assigning allocation.

Order Status Codes:
1000 Order On Hold at Dealership
1100 Order Placed at Dealership
1101 Order Entered into System
1102 Order Entered via Web
2000 Order Accepted by Chevrolet
3000 Order Accepted by Production Control
3100 Order Available to Sequence (now becomes more stable)
3300 Order Selected and Scheduled for Production by Assembly Plant
3400 Order Broadcasted for Production (Internal Plant Order Produced)
(Member orders have reached this point)
3800 Vehicle Produced
4000 Vehicle Available to Ship
4200 Vehicle Shipped
4300 Intermediate Delivery
4V03 Estimated Delivery Date
4800 Rail Ramp Unload
5000 Vehicle Delivered to Dealer
6000 Vehicle Delivered to Customer

Where We Are:
First Order Entries: 7/23/15
Intial Consensus: 8/11/15
First DOSP: 8/13/15
Highest Status Code: 3400 Order Broadcasted for Production: 10/2/15
First Known Target Production Week Moved from 10/5 to 10/12/15

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Old 08-02-2015, 10:33 AM   #2
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Good detail! I had always thought it to be 3-pass process.

I wonder if the August 1 Initial Consensus is what I had thought was the Guide Number?

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Old 08-02-2015, 11:15 AM   #3
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To note: For Gen5 GM put a lot of contraints on what could be ordered. Most dealers got 1-2 V8 variants and the rest were V6 models.
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Old 08-02-2015, 12:06 PM   #4
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That is the pattern. For both the C6 and the C7 there were early (first full mode year for the C6) restrictions on the Z51, which continue even now on the C7. I attributed them to CAFE, same engine but differently geared transmissions. Some have agreed with me but others have not. No one has offered an alternative explanation.

For the Gen5, Chevy assembled one V6 for every dealer, optioned as GM wanted. Four colors from the color palette. I attribute that to CAFE, but I could be wrong.

I also attribute the delayed intro of the turbo four to CAFE, although the fact that this is a new engine for the Camaro vehicle line should be considered. Oops, they all are new engines for the Camaro. What was I thinking!

All of this to say I agree and why I agree.

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Old 08-02-2015, 12:10 PM   #5
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I wonder how they did it 40 years ago? Mailed the hand-written car orders to GM?
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Old 08-02-2015, 12:22 PM   #6
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I wonder how they did it 40 years ago? Mailed the hand-written car orders to GM?
Telephoned the order if my memory serves me right.
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Old 08-02-2015, 12:29 PM   #7
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Telephoned the order if my memory serves me right.
Probobly much easier!
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Old 08-02-2015, 12:32 PM   #8
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For Jeep, my first order, the order was mailed. That was 1973.

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Old 08-02-2015, 12:38 PM   #9
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Thanks, after revisiting that leaked document it looks like most plant start ups were 1 month and 3 weeks after dosp with the cts and corvette being the exception.
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Old 08-02-2015, 12:47 PM   #10
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There was no "constraint" on my '77 RS when the factory ran out of white-letter tires. It was sent with Uniroyal blackwalls and a partial refund!
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Old 08-02-2015, 01:07 PM   #11
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There was no "constraint" on my '77 RS when the factory ran out of white-letter tires. It was sent with Uniroyal blackwalls and a partial refund!
Constrains will mostly be around the engines and optioned items. Considering the 2SS comes stock with so many items, the first runs will likely be a low qty. I am sure Chevy had already started the parts orders to make the first run go quickly.
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Old 08-02-2015, 01:24 PM   #12
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Is the image in the OP bad? I can't see it.
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So dealers should now know how many cars they will be allowed to order
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For Jeep, my first order, the order was mailed. That was 1973.

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