[ShockCamaro]

Anyone have any practical mechanical solutions for money shifting? I have a 2017 SS1LE that is a dedicated track car and am currently on my third motor due to money shifts.

I’ve looked into the S1 Sequential but have seen a lot of negative reviews on their product. I’ve also considered a shifter with a lock mechanical lockout for 1st and 2nd but can’t find something compatible with the TR6060. Does anyone have any suggestions or experience with the S1?

[bishopts]

"Money shift" is bad. Its referring to a shift that messes up your transmission and ends up costing money. Like high rpm 3rd to 4th but accidentally going 3rd to 2nd. Which usually bends valves and pushrods.

That's for everyone that doesn't know what the meaning is.

For the correction, you are the problem. You need to work on your own driving. Lots of practice to put the shifter in the correct gear and understanding the limitations of speed per gear. Slow down . Learn the movements and how to do them correctly. Practice doing them correctly without fail. Then move to doing it faster but dont sacrifice doing it right.
An amateur will practice until they get it right, a professional will practice until they can't get it wrong.

[ShockCamaro]

Bishopts, I agree with you. I also can’t afford to replace my motor every time I get it wrong. Driving on track is dangerous and expensive. The car has a full roll cage so I can’t practice on the street. I am trying to mitigate risk and cost so I’m looking for a mechanical solution of some sort.

[N Camarolina]

Hello fellow money shifter!

I've done a lot of track days on the G6 and have had this happen or almost happen a total of 3 times. In all instances, it has been a 4th to 5th shift that wound of being 4th to 3rd. I can suggest a few things you try to do (and what I am still telling myself every time I'm on track) is:


1) Mentally talk yourself through each and every shift as you are doing it (I'm in X gear and I'm going to shift to Y gear). For me, this helps me better coordinate the shifter movement with my hand

2) Try to use the correct hand placement on the shifter (hand turned so thumb is facing straight down on shifts where you don't want any chance of shifter moving to a gate toward the left in the pattern; gentle pressure on the shifter rather than tight grip)

3) Purposely shift slower. This will both minimize the chance of you moving the shifter to the wrong gate as well as possibly allow you to confirm the correct gear has been selected (either via the HUD, the rpm sound of engine rev if you have auto rev match enabled or both) before you let the clutch back out.

4) Drive with auto rev match enabled. In instances where you are about to money shift, the computer will rev the engine to redline (it technically should rev beyond red line but it is unable to) and provide you an audible warning (rpm sound will be higher than you are expecting)

5) Time your downshifts so that you aren't dropping into lower gears at what will be near redline RPMs (you'll want RPMs to be considerably below redline following a downshift). This way, you can take advantage of suggestion #4.


Out of curiosity, did GM pay for the engine replacements following your money shifts?

[kropscamaro16]

i tracked my 6 speed ss for 9 years almost did it one time but was lucky i didnt have the clutch fully let out yet so i got lucky but yea just gotta take it easy and pay attention no way to get rid of them unless you switch to a10 or sequential !

[DeuceCam]

Originally Posted by N Camarolina

Hello fellow money shifter!

I've done a lot of track days on the G6 and have had this happen or almost happen a total of 3 times. In all instances, it has been a 4th to 5th shift that wound of being 4th to 3rd. I can suggest a few things you try to do (and what I am still telling myself every time I'm on track) is:


1) Mentally talk yourself through each and every shift as you are doing it (I'm in X gear and I'm going to shift to Y gear). For me, this helps me better coordinate the shifter movement with my hand

2) Try to use the correct hand placement on the shifter (hand turned so thumb is facing straight down on shifts where you don't want any chance of shifter moving to a gate toward the left in the pattern; gentle pressure on the shifter rather than tight grip)

3) Purposely shift slower. This will both minimize the chance of you moving the shifter to the wrong gate as well as possibly allow you to confirm the correct gear has been selected (either via the HUD, the rpm sound of engine rev if you have auto rev match enabled or both) before you let the clutch back out.

4) Drive with auto rev match enabled. In instances where you are about to money shift, the computer will rev the engine to redline (it technically should rev beyond red line but it is unable to) and provide you an audible warning (rpm sound will be higher than you are expecting)

5) Time your downshifts so that you aren't dropping into lower gears at what will be near redline RPMs (you'll want RPMs to be considerably below redline following a downshift). This way, you can take advantage of suggestion #4.


Out of curiosity, did GM pay for the engine replacements following your money shifts?

This! Always implement #2 when upshifting from 3rd-to-4th gear and 5th-to-6th gear.

[ariZona28]

Good info from this fellow from a few years ago posted on the Corvette Forum.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-shifting.html

[m6-lt1]

I sacrifice time and don’t shift the car like I’m drag racing it when I do track days. This will be easier on the transmission in general versus gorilla shifting it into gear for a low ET like drag racers do.

I always shift from second to third with an open palm. When shifting from 4th to 5th, I take an extra half second and really push to the right. It’s just not worth the risk for a quarter of a second gain.

When downshifting I always do it a little late to make sure that even if I money shift, it will only be really close to red line versus 1000 RPM past it. I know the last one sacrifices braking as I’m delaying the car engine braking for me but idk, I’d rather be safe. If you’re a time attacker I understand not implementing the last one.

[N Camarolina]

Yeah, I have the same mentality. My speed around a track, at least the part I care about, is how well I do in every part of a corner. The straights (aside from corner exit) are mostly a function of HP and power/weight ratio. So if I take a bit longer to shift (on upshifts) or skip shift on the downshifts just before I turn-in (so RPM is lower on the throttle blip), I'm willing to sacrifice that part of the lap time and just know that my lap time would probably be a second or two quick. Same thing with upshifting at 5,500 to 6,000 RPM (instead of red-line) to try to make the engine less likely to fail.

[2SS Capt]

3 motors in, buy an A10 and fuggettaboutit... Seriously... 3 motors??? Let the damn computer do the work, it'll do it much faster and far more successfully than you have...

[2023-SS]

I don't open track, so take this with grain of salt...

I think you need to buy a second camaro with the TR6060 to DD some, to increase "muscle memory" (a high mile SS would be cheaper than more engines)

we had a "Garage Queen" 4th Gen M6 SS convertible, we only drove it for special occasions or weekends, and i was never great at shifting it.

years before, I had a DD Z28 LT1/T56 that I DD'ed, we beat the snot out of, I could toss it around & always felt in control, and never missed shifts, they were both T56. we autocross'ed the Z28 and I slid it around backwards & sideways all over.

i would recommend a Shift Light.
Modern hotrods are so quite (eps if you have a helmet, hearing protection, or Comms), you need another indicator you are at the RPM limit.

I had the garage queen out on the interstate once, went to pass someone, jammed it from 6th to 2nd, and the Shift Light SAVED MY BUTT.

even if you have to rent a camaro, you need to drive it, sleep on it, drive it again, sleep on it, (that's how Boot Camp teaches Marines to fire weapons: repeat, sleep, repeat, sleep) till it becomes second nature.

i don't think you will get enough track time in every scenario to gain muscle memory, there is a LOT going on during track time. i think the track is taking 90% of your mental capacity, and there is no room for learning some basics if you are not totally in tune with the car.

[redknight]

With the proper finger/hand/arm position it is nearly impossible to mess up.

1-2: Fingers like you are holding a beer can, thumb floating up, elbow tucked in against your side.
2-3: Keep elbow tucked in, rotate hand so palm is down and palm the shifter forward
3-4: Rotate hand even further in the same direction so that your thumb is down and palm is facing out(upside down of 1-2 and definitely a little awkward at first), elbow should now be out

For the 1-2 you can obviously pull the shifter toward you a little. However, for 3 and 4 you should be letting the shifter centering springs do the work and not trying to direct it.

Someone had a really good video on this probably almost 20 years ago on YT. I think it was in an f-body or a C5.

[TransamGTA350]

It sounds like you just need to slow down with your shifts. There’s no need for lightning fast shifts on track. 3-4 or 4-3 are easy to do quickly. 2-3/3-2 or 4-5/5-4 are easier to miss a gate, so just be deliberate, do it a bit slower and make sure you’re in the right gear before letting the clutch out. You’ll never money shift if you do that.