[Bad Anvil Garage]

I'm finally getting around to asking this... but ever since I've had my car I've noticed that when I go full throttle, the shift to third is so hard/quick that it seems to break the rear tires loose so that the traction control kicks in and totally bogs the gas out on me. Of course that totally sucks. I got wider stickier tires and still have the issue. I only have the GM CAI and a Borla axle back for mods. Is this normal or do I have a transmission problem?

I asked ChatGPT and this is what it says:

"Yes, it's common for the traction control system in a Camaro SS to intervene, causing a jolt or power cut, during full-throttle shifts, especially in automatic models with the 10-speed transmission. This happens when the system detects wheelspin during the upshift, which the sophisticated transmission can sometimes induce. To prevent this, you can manually disable traction control or switch to a driving mode that allows for more wheelspin, like Competitive Mode, which can be accessed by double-pressing the traction control button."

Is turning of TC the only remedy other than getting a slower car? LOL

[FlukeSS]

Originally Posted by Bad Anvil Garage

I'm finally getting around to asking this... but ever since I've had my car I've noticed that when I go full throttle, the shift to third is so hard/quick that it seems to break the rear tires loose so that the traction control kicks in and totally bogs the gas out on me. Of course that totally sucks. I got wider stickier tires and still have the issue. I only have the GM CAI and a Borla axle back for mods. Is this normal or do I have a transmission problem?

I asked ChatGPT and this is what it says:

"Yes, it's common for the traction control system in a Camaro SS to intervene, causing a jolt or power cut, during full-throttle shifts, especially in automatic models with the 10-speed transmission. This happens when the system detects wheelspin during the upshift, which the sophisticated transmission can sometimes induce. To prevent this, you can manually disable traction control or switch to a driving mode that allows for more wheelspin, like Competitive Mode, which can be accessed by double-pressing the traction control button."

Is turning of TC the only remedy other than getting a slower car? LOL

Depends on tires used, how cold the ambient temperature is, tire pressure, rather or not the tires are warm, and yes the 60mph shift point will break the tires loose especially on the stock pizza cutters even at stock power levels. Not to be confused with the 305 tires on the rear.

You can turn off TC if you want, but remember in doing so, you can and will potentially fishtail harshley in the wrong conditions with insufficient equipment. The only thing left on with double tap TC off is stabilitrak but that is only to keep the car going straight off the line.

To give you a relative comparison: I'm using 305/35R20 Nitto 555R2's with 510rwhp. On the street when it is 80+ degrees out I can start from about 10-15mph go to 100% throttle instantly, and not spin the tires on any shift point. And of course on a dragstrip I can go from 0mph to 100% throttle and not spin the tires at all (as long as I do a burnout first)

305 wide tires help even if you do not get drag radials like Nitto 555R2's. The base BFGR Eagle SC3's summer tires at 305 will fix the 60mph shift point in most circumstances on the street. But yes turning off TC for example means the engine power won't get cut due to tire spin, and you will spin a lot less with 305 rear tires.

[DeuceCam]

Mine did this twice in a row one day, but on the 1->2 shift; my throttle was cut after getting into 2nd gear while the TC light was simultaneously flashing; I also wasn't FFS. (I have a 6MT and 305 tires.) I aired the rear tires down 5 psi and it was fine after that. It never happened before that or after.

Lots of variables here to consider. The TCS/ESC does some weird things. I have a hunch that, in my case, changing to different sized wheels tires made the TCS/ESC slightly more confused, generally speaking.

[DamonZ28]

My SS with A10 does this nearly every time. It did it again just yesterday during a run against a 5.0. We did another run, and that time I had Competitive Mode turned on - it didn't do it that time. Track Mode, and even Touring Mode, seems to reduce the chance of it happening, but doesn't eliminate it (for me). I'm stock.

[FlukeSS]

Originally Posted by DeuceCam

Mine did this twice in a row one day, but on the 1->2 shift; my throttle was cut after getting into 2nd gear while the TC light was simultaneously flashing; I also wasn't FFS. (I have a 6MT and 305 tires.) I aired the rear tires down 5 psi and it was fine after that. It never happened before that or after.

Lots of variables here to consider. The TCS/ESC does some weird things. I have a hunch that, in my case, changing to different sized wheels tires made the TCS/ESC slightly more confused, generally speaking.

Ya tire size can do that where you'd have to reprogram the TC and wheelsize in the ECM to fix the issue if you go with over 28" diameters.

[Bad Anvil Garage]

I have Michelin PS4S 315s on the car and it still breaks loose. So basically sport or track mode with T/C off is the only remedy?

[dpevans]

Press and hold for 10 seconds it turns all the nannies off and spin to your hearts delight.

[bishopts]

It kinda turns them off that way. Ive had it limit throttle trying to force a drift at around 50mph with the all off setting. Ive almost lost it in competition mode also. Just from my own experiences the competition mode is more unhinged.

[WhiteMale]

I think that in one way amongst a few perhaps but one way is the system will cut spark or fuel as a way to intervene and gain control. Others are correct you need to get in the modes, each mode progressively lessens the intervention.

[KingLT1]

If you hit the TCS button once it will allow the wheels to spin without intervention if the car is going straight, but Stabilitrak will intervene if the car starts to get sideways.

Or put a real tire on it. 555r2 and you won't have any issues. When I was NA bolt-on only I could go out and pull 3.4 0-60(actual not that 1ft roll out BS) all day on the street with that tire.

[DamonZ28]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

If you hit the TCS button once it will allow the wheels to spin without intervention if the car is going straight, but Stabilitrak will intervene if the car starts to get sideways.

Good to know, thanks for the info. Is this different than how Competitive Mode works for this situation, or would they respond the same? Judging from one of your posts in another thread, they would have the same affect.

[DeuceCam]

Competitive mode (CM) is the closest to having everything off in an LT1/SS. (I generally turn TCS/ESC off for shenans.) I did a long soft burnout in CM - basically an overly aggressive dig pull - and still had to counter-steer, but after a while of spinning the tires and modulating throttle, I got a solid 'clunk' from the rear and all throttle was cut (not fun). A rollout pull in CM - not trying to spin tires, e.g. rolling into throttle - feels similar to having TCS/ECS off completely, IMO.

My point is that CM offers a very small safety net and one may be past the limit before ESC engages.

[FlukeSS]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

If you hit the TCS button once it will allow the wheels to spin without intervention if the car is going straight, but Stabilitrak will intervene if the car starts to get sideways.

Or put a real tire on it. 555r2 and you won't have any issues. When I was NA bolt-on only I could go out and pull 3.4 0-60(actual not that 1ft roll out BS) all day on the street with that tire.

Originally Posted by DamonZ28

Good to know, thanks for the info. Is this different than how Competitive Mode works for this situation, or would they respond the same? Judging from one of your posts in another thread, they would have the same affect.

With Stabilitrak:

Single Tap TC off yes
Double Tap TC Off also yes (ESC ON - Competition mode) - Designed for racing, with stabilitrak does not cut power like TC does, but will equalize tire spin on both sides to keep the car going straight.

10 second long press and hold TC Off:
ALL nannies are off including stabilitrak.

Just FYI.

[DamonZ28]

Got it, thank you!