[Camlopingidle]

So when I get a new ride be it N/A or Turbo, I will upgrade exhaust first, then CAI. After pouring over numerous cat backs, axle backs and cutouts, and reading different forums comments about same, I came across this design on Ebay and Youtube https://youtu.be/3Ch4hCTPTZw It seems to make some sense. Flows extremely well, can be adjusted and the cost is nothing compared to current cat back prices ($700 to $1200 or more). I thought about the Turbo 4cyl after I saw this video of it on a turbo challenger https://youtu.be/l7rvRgpqFPE What do you think?

[CodeCody]

If you have a nice car I think nice things should be incorporated into it. I wouldn't call cutouts an upgrade either. $700 is actually pretty cheap for a catback. I got a borla ATAK and it is very well worth the price.

[Camlopingidle]

I don't know about these not being nice. They look good on this cars exhaust. In fact this exhaust is better then anything I've ever had... Again just thinking out loud about the design difference between what traditionally is available and this new design. On the $700 cat back, that's a low end single.

[Michigan1LTRS]

Hey, I love my turbo 4 Camaro, but that video is a V8 twin turbo. It won't sound like that at all.

[Camlopingidle]

Originally Posted by Camlopingidle

I don't know about these not being nice. They look good on this cars exhaust. In fact this exhaust is better then anything I've ever had... Again just thinking out loud about the design difference between what traditionally is available and this new design. On the $700 cat back, that's a low end single.

https://youtu.be/sx4s5ZIZL9g

[Wolvie70]

So your going to crawl under and swap those things out all the time?

[Camlopingidle]

Originally Posted by Wolvie70

So your going to crawl under and swap those things out all the time?

I would see if I couldn't run them with the track insert open most of the time, or without an insert in. I would have to see how loud it was, after all it's going through the cats. No different then straight pipes or the so called aggressive exhausts many companies sell that are pretty much straight pipes. I hear so many nasty sounding V8's that I know are straight piped, and sound good. Nice thing is you could change these back when necessary. (Straight pipe or brand name aggressive style your done). Some people love the sound, others don't. I think the additional flow is a big plus performance wise. Been crawling under my muscle cars for a long time

[cellsafemode]

I think straight pipe is obnoxious on a street car.

I also think cat-less is obnoxiously smelling on a street car (and illegal on multiple levels of government).

So to me, these wouldn't be an option. However, if you're going to go straight pipe, it makes no sense spending hundreds of dollars for someone to slap their name on a mendral bent pipe that anyone with the machine can make while half asleep for a fraction of the money.

Pay money for actual engineering R&D and get something that doesn't drone, and sounds good. Otherwise if you dont need that R&D, it makes no sense to pay a bunch extra for a name. Unless name dropping expensive companies is your thing.

[Camlopingidle]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

I think straight pipe is obnoxious on a street car.

I also think cat-less is obnoxiously smelling on a street car (and illegal on multiple levels of government).

So to me, these wouldn't be an option. However, if you're going to go straight pipe, it makes no sense spending hundreds of dollars for someone to slap their name on a mendral bent pipe that anyone with the machine can make while half asleep for a fraction of the money.

Pay money for actual engineering R&D and get something that doesn't drone, and sounds good. Otherwise if you dont need that R&D, it makes no sense to pay a bunch extra for a name. Unless name dropping expensive companies is your thing.

Some people don't like an aggressive exhaust note, others love it. Like I said it is up to the individual. I know people running cat less straight pipes on new muscle cars and absolutely love it. For me that might be a bit too much all the time. But if you look up exhaust cutouts on youtube, there are many people that love the sound. I just thought that this design minimized the cost, amount of work, and resale effect. I personally think a lot of these companies R&D is hype. It just comes down to how aggressive you like your exhaust and if you race the car, how much better will it run with a full flowing exhaust.

[Camlopingidle]

Originally Posted by Michigan1LTRS

Hey, I love my turbo 4 Camaro, but that video is a V8 twin turbo. It won't sound like that at all.

Hi Michigan, Lol I was thinking more of it showing what gains he got from the turbo breathing better.

[cellsafemode]

Originally Posted by Camlopingidle

Some people don't like an aggressive exhaust note, others love it. Like I said it is up to the individual. I know people running cat less straight pipes on new muscle cars and absolutely love it. For me that might be a bit too much all the time. But if you look up exhaust cutouts on youtube, there are many people that love the sound. I just thought that this design minimized the cost, amount of work, and resale effect. I personally think a lot of these companies R&D is hype. It just comes down to how aggressive you like your exhaust and if you race the car, how much better will it run with a full flowing exhaust.

It's not that i find straight pipes too aggressive. I think they sound like garbage. Motorcycles without mufflers sound like garbage too.

The idea of "freer flowing exhaust" making a significant (or any) difference in performance is iffy at best with the camaro (since it's exhaust is already performance oriented).

Like the people who will spend money to replace the crushed parts of their exhaust (for V8 owners). Replacing that with uncrushed will do nothing for performance.

Unless you're removing your cats, I'd just treat any cat-back as an aesthetic upgrade. Dont count on it for performance improvements at all.

[Camlopingidle]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

It's not that i find straight pipes too aggressive. I think they sound like garbage. Motorcycles without mufflers sound like garbage too.

The idea of "freer flowing exhaust" making a significant (or any) difference in performance is iffy at best with the camaro (since it's exhaust is already performance oriented).

Like the people who will spend money to replace the crushed parts of their exhaust (for V8 owners). Replacing that with uncrushed will do nothing for performance.

Unless you're removing your cats, I'd just treat any cat-back as an aesthetic upgrade. Dont count on it for performance improvements at all.

Well I would have to disagree with you on most points. What you believe sounds like garbage is music to another. I fully understand that. But to say that a freer flowing exhaust adds virtually nothing to performance is a questionable statement. The resonators and mufflers are going to restrict flow (that's why they quiet down the sound). Mandrel bent exhaust tubing does in fact help with flow, you'll notice all the factory performance cars (if not all new cars) use it... Now how much is a reasonable question. Without going into exhaust flow theory, exhaust tubing does cause restriction, cooling and slowing down of the flow. Tell a Turbocharged car owner that a free flowing exhaust won't help his turbo spool quicker and give better performance. Lastly all non NPP exhaust on Camaros are very quiet (don't have a performance sound) and I believe virtually any true gearhead would agree needs changing. So whether you feel that there is a performance gain or not, sound is not aesthetic. Appreciate the back and forth thoughts

[Marty McFlew]

Originally Posted by Camlopingidle

So when I get a new ride be it N/A or Turbo, I will upgrade exhaust first, then CAI. After pouring over numerous cat backs, axle backs and cutouts, and reading different forums comments about same, I came across this design on Ebay and Youtube https://youtu.be/3Ch4hCTPTZw It seems to make some sense. Flows extremely well, can be adjusted and the cost is nothing compared to current cat back prices ($700 to $1200 or more). I thought about the Turbo 4cyl after I saw this video of it on a turbo challenger https://youtu.be/l7rvRgpqFPE What do you think?

If you get the V8 just get the dualmode exhaust and don't worry about an upgrade unless just adding headers. I havn't heard an exhaust yet that sounds much different than the dual mode stock setup.

[Camlopingidle]

Originally Posted by Marty McFlew

If you get the V8 just get the dualmode exhaust and don't worry about an upgrade unless just adding headers. I havn't heard an exhaust yet that sounds much different than the dual mode stock setup.

Unfortunately I don't think I will be able to afford a new SS. I am gravitating toward a Turbo 4 for power and economy. Just looking for value, flow and sound. May have to wait for a used Turbo. Just have always felt that the internal combustion engine makes the most power with as little restriction as possible. Turbos even more so, hence the full flow of this design. After hearing and talking to Turbo Subie, Mitsu and Ford owners, full breathing seems to be the name of the game. They like the sound.