[Arex]

Hey guys, Im interested in a loaded auto 2SS this summer, so it will run about 45k even at invoice price. I've only ever compared it to the V8 M3s, M235i's, Mustang GTs, and other V8 cars from dodge.

However... what about a used RS5?!

4.2 liter naturally aspirated V8 with a high redline and 7 speed DCT seems like a dream. Though finding a used RS5 for 45k means it has a lot of miles on it. Also, I believe the 5 series ftom Audi is due for a redesign in the next year or two.

Thoughts?

[diirk]

I just traded my S5 for the Camaro. But a big part of that was to go back to a manual transmission.
I can say without a doubt that the DSG in the Audi is truly amazing. The fit an finish inside is flawless. The Quattro AWD is perfection. Seriously, the Audi is an amazing car, and the RS with the V8 will sound fantastic once you install an after market exhaust. Even a used S5 would be a great option, although not as quick as the Camaro without a tune.

My S5:

[mikem2104]

I had the same debate. I ended up going Camaro route.
I LOVE the RS5, and the S5 for that matter. But, they are a bit behind the times, they need the refresh they are about to get. And given the price they command, or the mile sacrifice you have to make, then you deal with possible warranty and maintenance ... I opted to go 2SS

[Arex]

Originally Posted by diirk

I just traded my S5 for the Camaro. But a big part of that was to go back to a manual transmission.
I can say without a doubt that the DSG in the Audi is truly amazing. The fit an finish inside is flawless. The Quattro AWD is perfection. Seriously, the Audi is an amazing car, and the RS with the V8 will sound fantastic once you install an after market exhaust. Even a used S5 would be a great option, although not as quick as the Camaro without a tune.

My S5:

Beautiful SS and S5. Im jelly.

How did you feel about the switch from the s5 in terms of visibility, creature comforts, drive-train, fit and finish, and of course the ease of drive-ability?

I dont track cars, but I love taking a fast corner and the sound of a V8. The speed of the car isnt important as long as one feels like you're going fast with the intangibles a car can make one feel.

[Tr6]

Couple things to also consider are the cost of ownerships. I think the S5 is a great car, it is an audi. It won't be a terrible car. But repair costs, insurance costs, modding costs (coming from from imports, camaro mods are ridiculously cheap, except superchargers lol) and etc. Also depends on where you live, you could DD the S5 ANYWHERE due to the FANTASTIC quattro but it seems like you live in Cali so RWD or AWD doesn't really matter for ya haha.

Brand new technology, manual tranmission, good old godly 6.2L LT1 V8 which you just cannot beat the sound! Sounds better than any v10 v12 or other V8s out there, at least to me. V10 sounds like a school bus and v12's like motorcycles lol. Something about the LSX/LTX that I just love, the deep growl is just amazing.

[Curr]

Originally Posted by Arex

Hey guys, Im interested in a loaded auto 2SS this summer, so it will run about 45k even at invoice price. I've only ever compared it to the V8 M3s, M235i's, Mustang GTs, and other V8 cars from dodge.

However... what about a used RS5?!

4.2 liter naturally aspirated V8 with a high redline and 7 speed DCT seems like a dream. Though finding a used RS5 for 45k means it has a lot of miles on it. Also, I believe the 5 series ftom Audi is due for a redesign in the next year or two.

Thoughts?

I just went through this thought process this winter. You can see to the right I ended up in neither a Gen 6 nor a RS5. I'm an electrical engineer by trade, so (much to Wifey's chagrin) I tend to over-analyze / research the shit out of everything.

The two major downsides to the RS5 for me were:
1) To really get the to the meat of the powerband of the 4.2 V8 you need to keep it high in the RPMs all the time (much like the Ford Mustang GT350). Nobody drives those cars like that, too much attention and too much noise. The LSx/LTx engines have GOBS of usable, streetable torque down low.
2) Repair costs. This applies to BMW, Audi, Porsche, AMG/MB. The repair bills on those hipo German luxe brands can get huge. Porsche seem to be by far, the most reliable of the bunch. I spent some time reading the Audi / RS4/5/6 forums and I'd seen enough.

In the end, I got an unexpectedly large bonus from my company, and landed a new C7. If I hadn't, I'd *definitely* be driving a Gen 6 2SS convertible.

[mt3130]

I just came in here to say the RS5 engine is pretty underwhelming in normal driving conditions.

Get a Camaro now, then get an RS5 (new or used) once they release the one with the 4.0TT V8.

[diirk]

Originally Posted by Arex

Beautiful SS and S5. Im jelly.

How did you feel about the switch from the s5 in terms of visibility, creature comforts, drive-train, fit and finish, and of course the ease of drive-ability?

I dont track cars, but I love taking a fast corner and the sound of a V8. The speed of the car isnt important as long as one feels like you're going fast with the intangibles a car can make one feel.

Visibility: Seems pretty similar in both cars. The blindspot sensors are very helpful in both cases.

Creature Comforts: I have a 2SS. It actually has a few more creature comforts, like A/C seats and heated steering wheel and a HUD. Slightly better than the Audi. OTOH, the Audi Nav is generations ahead of the Camaro Nav, using Google maps satellite images for the mapping. But I really hated the HVAC controls in the Audi. Just not convenient to use at all. Interior has a little more storage in the Audi, including bottle holders in the doors and ipod storage in the glove box with a connection for the stereo. In the trunk, the Audi has a nice cargo net and hooks for groceries along with a pretty good sized trunk. The Camaro is kinda lacking a decent trunk in every possible way.

Drive-train: The Audi DSG is amazing. Especially in sport mode. Downshifts like a race car, just when you want it too. Ride quality is decent, handling is very good, even stock. The brakes are superb. Better than the Camaro brakes in feel and application.

Fit & Finish: The Audi is appointed a little better in the interior. No really noticeable plastic. Everything has a slightly higher quality feel to it. Not bagging on the Camaro. It is appointed nicely, but there is a bit more plastic in the interior in comparison to the Audi. But also consider, the Audi has a sticker price about $20k higher than the Camaro. That's the interior. On the exterior, the Audi paint is really easy to chip and the windshields are even worse.

Ease of drivability: Well, now I'm comparing a DSG to a manual. The DSG is obviously easier to drive, especially in traffic. You can still use the paddle shifters to engine brake when approaching a stop if desired. The Audi steering is more responsive than the Camaro, which tends to feel a bit heavy. Of course, the Quattro will own the Camaro in any kind of wet or loose conditions. Oh, and the cost to mod the Audi is about double to triple mods to the Camaro.

I'd say the Audi is easier as a daily driver overall, but not as much fun. It's really excellent at doing everything, and I mean everything. I tracked it, canyon carved it, daily'd it, road tripped it. It does everything very well. Looks very polished and sporty. It's a panty dropper if you're looking for some professional thongs to be hitting the floor...lol.

None of my friends or anyone that rode in the car understands why I went from it to the Camaro, but that's ok, I'm happy with my decision.

[Arex]

Thanks for all the insightful responses guys! and of course big thanks to you Diirk for giving me the run-through of what you thought coming from an RS5.

The SS will definitely be my Daily Driver, road trip car, ETC. Just worried it might not be able to do everything for a single guy. Anyone take the Camaro in snow or up to the mountains to snowboard/ski?

Hopefully I can grab myself a 2SS mid-summer, question is... 2016 or 2017... I'm kind of in an awkward situation where I can get a discounted 2016 but might not get the perfect specifications or a 2017 ordered with everything I want + black-out taillights!



EDIT: I had a 2015 Loaded GTI, it was a great DD and had lots of cargo for whatever I needed to throw in there and roofracks for bikes/snowboards... but part of me wants a real sportscar experience.

[Emoto]

I know too many "recovering" Audi owners to ever want or recommend one. The repair costs are astronomical, especially above 100k miles. That is why the high mileage ones are relatively cheap, because they either do, or are about to, need horrifically expensive work done on them.

One friend was an Audi mechanic at a dealership for a while. He is one of the 2 best wrenches I have ever known as a friend, and I respect his skills. The stories he has told about what goes wrong and how it has to be repaired and how much that costs would put anyone off.

Having said that, Audis ARE fun to drive when being pushed fairly hard. Otherwise, meh.

[Modshack]

Originally Posted by Emoto

I know too many "recovering" Audi owners to ever want or recommend one. The repair costs are astronomical, especially above 100k miles. That is why the high mileage ones are relatively cheap, because they either do, or are about to, need horrifically expensive work done on them.

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I'll have to echo that....I was the Audi TT guru from the early days. 60K posts on Audiworld and Quattroworld. I even designed and built products for them. I've seen too much that I can't unsee at this point. Marvelous cars, but brutally expensive when they go bad. The performance versions depreciate like stones for all those reasons....I still hang with my Audi buddies, but I won't own one. I know too much.

If you're even thinking about an older one because they're good bargains, please read this first...

http://www.automobilemag.com/news/dy...ine-year-itch/

It really puts it all in perspective...

[Arex]

Originally Posted by Modshack

I'll have to echo that....I was the Audi TT guru from the early days. 60K posts on Audiworld and Quattroworld. I even designed and built products for them. I've seen too much that I can't unsee at this point. Marvelous cars, but brutally expensive when they go bad. The performance versions depreciate like stones for all those reasons....I still hang with my Audi buddies, but I won't own one. I know too much.

If you're even thinking about an older one because they're good bargains, please read this first...

http://www.automobilemag.com/news/dy...ine-year-itch/

It really puts it all in perspective...

Interesting read, thank you!

[Emoto]

Originally Posted by Modshack

I'll have to echo that....I was the Audi TT guru from the early days. 60K posts on Audiworld and Quattroworld. I even designed and built products for them. I've seen too much that I can't unsee at this point. Marvelous cars, but brutally expensive when they go bad. The performance versions depreciate like stones for all those reasons....I still hang with my Audi buddies, but I won't own one. I know too much.

If you're even thinking about an older one because they're good bargains, please read this first...

http://www.automobilemag.com/news/dy...ine-year-itch/

It really puts it all in perspective...

And it really is too bad, because pushing an AWD Audi around at speed really is fun. I am delighted that I got a chance to do so. I am just not ever going to be wealthy enough to make it a good idea for me to own one. Other people don't care because those costs are not a big deal to them.

But really, there is nothing like a big American V8.

[Adrian97c]

$47k OTD for a 2SS, no NAV & no MRC, supplier pricing.


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