01-17-2013, 10:45 PM | #1 | |
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Dream 6th-gen Lineup...
I got a little bored this evening...and spent about an hour or so researching some of the cars on the market right now, like the Scion/Subaru RWD thingy, and the Cadillac ATS...to try and put together what I think could be a realistic lineup of Camaros for the next generation.
I had posted something like this a LONG time ago before the 5th-gen came out...and so I figured it might be fun, if nothing else, to do it again. Just know...on the front end...I have NO idea if this is anywhere close to what's going on. I sincerely doubt even those who might be working on the car right now have things this nailed down. The content below is strictly guesswork done with some quick number crunching from today's cars... Let me know what you think! Could be as fun a conversation as any... Quote:
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01-17-2013, 10:50 PM | #2 |
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Sounds legit to me. Honestly, if the 6th gen did indeed hit that target weight and had a TT V6 in an LT level type car......I'd be sold!
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01-17-2013, 10:51 PM | #3 |
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I love the idea of brimbos with the RS!! (maybe because I have a RS) Overall nice job!
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01-18-2013, 02:03 AM | #4 |
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TT v6 would be really cool, nice write up!
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01-18-2013, 07:13 AM | #5 |
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Nice write up. I agree with that you're saying on the top models, but I have a feeling the low end cars will all be the same motor...either a 4 or v6. GM is already planning on a new V6 based on the new LT series of motors. I'm guessing it will be somewhere in 350 hp range na. That's not to say they couldn't throw a turbo on it and make a new Camaro Sprint model
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01-18-2013, 07:25 AM | #6 |
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For the majority of this conception of the 6thgen, I'm happy.
I struggle to understand the placement of the Z28 as a base trim for any SS (traditionally RPO Z27) option. If I were to edit this list, I'd place the Z28 between the SS and ZL1 as a possible track option. I'd also like the RS package to be more limited for the Camaro than it is today. I liked the 4thgen RS lip kit as a part of that package. Perhaps we can consider some sort of projector halogen arrangement for non-RS Camaros and give RS Camaros the HID upgrade. Also, the darker tail lamps and painted roof ditch molding currently associated with the RS should stick with the future package.
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01-18-2013, 07:43 AM | #7 |
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I like it! However, since we are dreaming how about GM offers engine options for the middle trim levels?
LS -- Turbo I4 LT -- Turbo I4 (base), NA V6 (option) Z28 -- LT1 (base), TT V6 (option) SS -- LT1, ZL1 -- LT4
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01-18-2013, 09:25 AM | #8 |
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I want to play this game
For me, in my dreams (at least my realistic dreams anyways): Base Camaro, Turbo 4, 260 - 280HP and 280TQ. 3,300 lbs Camaro N/A V6, 340 - 350HP, 300+TQ, 3,400 lbs Camaro (standard) V8, 420 - 450 HP, 420 - 450TQ, 3,500lbs Camaro V8 1LE or Z28, same or slightly more HP/TQ than standard V8, but with all the handling goodies and an appearance change. Camaro V8 Supercharged, 600(ish) HP and TQ, magnetic ride modes, 3,700 lbs. Now besides the turbo 4 I realize this is pretty close to what we have now, but just much LIGHTER and more nimble machines than what we have now. To me, weight is the only thing I really dislike about our cars. Sure would be nice to have a cooler digital dash, and apps and stuff but this thread is about performance so forget all of that for now. I'd love to see a TTV6 also, but it is difficult for me to see where it would fit in the above lineup, so I left it out. But if it were offered, I'm sure it could kick some major butt as well. Only place I could see it, would be in a Z28 type package like Gretchen mentioned above. I really hope to see a good, strong N/A V6 option but still capable of 30+ on the highway would should be pretty easily doable with the lighter weight and keeping gearing the same as it is right now. I wouldn't want to go with a higher gear than the 3.27s. If the turbo 4 ends up being really powerful...say over 300HP / 300 TQ then there may not be as strong of a case for an NA V6, but I hope that isn't the case.
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01-18-2013, 09:28 AM | #9 |
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I hope we see a V8 that is of the 5.0, 5.3 or 5.7 flavor as well. It would be a good engine for the Z28. Most of the rumors about a 5.3 or 5.7 seemed to die out when the 6.2 LT1 was announced, so I guess we just have to wait.
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01-18-2013, 11:55 AM | #10 |
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The more I think about this, the more excited I get.
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01-18-2013, 12:58 PM | #11 |
I'm assuming that your 1LE gets the ZL1 wheel/tire package too? And that the SS is really the 1LE + mag ride + NPP?
I really like the idea of performance seats as an option. |
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01-18-2013, 01:21 PM | #12 |
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Please, let's not intermingle the SS and Z/28 again, they can and should be different, distinct models.
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01-18-2013, 01:43 PM | #13 | ||
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Because the ZL1 is so badass and out-of-this-world, I think Camaro NEEDS it...for status and bragging rights. But, then that means the Z28, and SS must share space, because neither are fit for a 4-cyl or V6 model... And then...even in my dream world...I don't think there's room for two distinct performance levels in between a V6 and the ZL1. So...I figured a compromise is to include them both. Z28 is the mainstream Camaro sports car in my lineup: and excellent in every way...a lighter, more powerful and dialed-in version of the current SS. With the theoretical performance package...it becomes "Super" sporty because of the way all the added systems will be able to work together like they do on the ZL1 model. Even in dream world....there didn't seem to be an easy, semi-realistic answer to the Z28/SS debate... |
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01-18-2013, 01:50 PM | #14 |
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a) I honestly don't see the 6th gen Camaro being lighter than the ATS. I can imagine some chassis component swapping (to save money), which could potentially make it heavier; however, I'd also imagine removing some of the luxury items, which should result in weight savings.
b) The 2016 ATS will probably be making that from its 2.0 turbo (280/265). What I'd like to see though is some type of factory stage 1 kit for the Camaro (reminiscent of the one for the Cobalt SS, except standard) to bump output to around 310 hp and 345 ft-lbs. c) It's my understanding (and I could well be wrong), that the gen V 5.3 is only going to be a truck engine (same with the new 4.3 V6). Of course, even if that's the case now, it could always change. |
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