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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole
I was adamant in the thought that GM was not going to put the LT5 in the Camaro. But now I think it is a possibility. I think maybe a 25% possibility. But a possibility nonetheless.
Looking at the 700+ HP cars out there, how many can be had for the price of a ZL1? Not one. If GM puts the LT5 in the ZL1 and calls it a Z28 then what kind of price hike are we talking about? Remember how horribly the last Z28 sold at $70K+? Ok so the ZLE is at $70K MSRP. But how many people are buying them? Throw the LT5 in the ZLE and you'll see $80K easily. Who is buying a Camaro for $80K? I sure as hell ain't. Well maybe. But will they sell enough of them? I doubt it.
The only way this would work is if GM built a very limited amount of them and made sure they were all sold or most of them were sold beforehand. But I think the market for an $80K and up RWD high HP fair weather vehicle is dwindling. It is getting harder and harder to justify paying the money they're asking for these cars.
So I don't think it's a matter of GM doing it so much as being a matter of who is gonna buy it. Honestly, most people with $80K and up who are buying GM are looking at Corvettes. Because no matter how good and how much HP a ZL1 has, it is still a Camaro. And people who want to differentiate from the Camaro crowd are buying Corvettes. Honestly that is why I'm probably switching over to Vettes. Because my ZL1 is still a Camaro. And Vettes just have a completely different vibe to them. Anyway the ZL1 sold because it is basically a 3LZ-optioned Camaro with the same engine but in a Camaro and for about half the price. I don't think a Z28 with the LT5 and full options will be priced decently enough to make people buy it.
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This guy gets it ^ I know people here love their Camaro's but at a certain price point GM has another called the Corvette that is well as Blaq said not a Camaro.(I would say the same about the Mustang even though Ford has no Corvette)
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Originally Posted by NW-99SS
GT500 sales plus Dealer ADM will show just how many are willing to spend 80+ on a pony car with 700+ HP.
Demon sales support this niche market as well. Chevy has never even attempted to offer competitive HP to Dodge and Ford. ZL1 is a great car, but it's strength is handling. Straight line, it is out muscled by Dodge and will be by the GT500 as well.
As for Corvettes, I shopped plenty of C6 ZR1s before I bought my C2 GS Mongoose Motorsports car. That was before baby. I plan on keeping the GS, but the next car won't be another Vette, it will be a newer Camaro, so either a ZL1 or an LT5 powered Camaro which I'm hoping for. I already have a road course car, so I don't need another ultimate handling Camaro, the Z/28 showed that was a bad sales pitch at a high cost. The Demon has shown that a monster straight line HP machine will sell.
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I think the problem with the Z/28 was it was stripped of everything people think should be on a 76K car. The ZLE, at 71 or 73 has those creature comforts and still decimates road courses. But like Blaq mentioned above you get to high in price point with Camaro and the Corvette looks mighty good.
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Originally Posted by DevilsReject97
The Demon was a limited run car with the manufacturer purposely stating they would look very unkindly on any ADM with the vehicle. Most were scooped up by collectors...
Chevy built a car that competes very well with the Hellcats head to head in a straight line while out muscling everything else in handling. No, they haven't responded to Dodge or now Ford's high HP cars.... but again, they don't need a massive amount of effort to do it.
A simple pulley swap with updated factory tune would put the ZL1 at 720hp...throw in an aftermarket intake and boom... you're at about 625hp to the wheels..
If GM wanted to go Demon style and offer a copo styled drag street car, I wouldn't be upset about it...but don't call it a ZL1....
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But wasn't that kind of the point of the original ZL1 in 69 lol