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Old 05-24-2022, 07:52 AM   #8690
L99BEN
 
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Originally Posted by MakCamaro View Post
Instead of posting biased opinions ("my car is always better") I personally prefer facts. There is already an older thread that gives a lot of insight at our very own forum:

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=569999

Also there are several reviews like this one (covered in the above thread):

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...-car-showdown/

The ZL1 accelerates faster, is faster on the track, stops better, turns better, handles better and is an overall better value for money. Admittedly the Mustang attracts the lights because they have invested heavily in Marketing. However, the Camaro is the most rewarding and confidence-inspiring to drive and this comes out in most reviews.
Unless you are talking about 0-60 on the street the ZL1 most definitely DOES NOT accelerate faster than the GT500. Its not a small negligible difference either. It's a difference that is tangible and is real.
BTW the GT500 0-60 is as fast or faster on a prepped track with street tires.
Ive seen as low as 1.6-1.7 60ft's for the GT500 which is what my Tesla 3 performance does (my tesla 0-60 is 3.1).

From your Car and Driver link:

"By 100 mph, though, the Ford is quicker than the Chevy by 0.3 second, and by 160 mph, it's more than five seconds quicker. Its 132-mph trap speed in the quarter is ample proof of the Mustang's power."

TBH I could care less about most the stuff/stats you've posting personally. If the ZL1 was the better car FOR/TO ME I would have kept it and saved money or sold my GT500 and went back...

BTW - Ive never once said the GT500 is better than the ZL1, Ive been saying its better FOR ME. I agree the ZL1 is the better overall bargain especially considering the ridiculous ADM the GT500 has been selling for since it's release. Comparing MSRP to MSRP the difference doesn't seem as great, considering you get the DCT, hand built motor and much larger blower in the Shelby.
My opinions are not biased and I am not brand loyal in any way. I can appreciate performance no matter the manufacturer.

This is a Camaro forum and camaro biased opinions here is to be expected which is fine.

I'd even greatly consider buying a ZL1 manual convertible in the future. Top down elevates the cramped low visibility issue for me.

The ZL1 may stop shorter but it certainly doesn't feel that way behind the wheel (compared to the standard ZL1, I've never driven the ZLE)
The ZL1 may turn better but isn't a difference I can clearly tell on the back roads I drive on. Both handle amazing and have very high limits, I dont come close to pushing these cars to their limits on public roads. I dont track my cars either.
60+ highway acceleration isn't close, the GT500 is faster, period; a metric I do care about.
It wouldn't take much for the ZL1 to be as fast as the GT500 in a straight line, but you'd have to forego warranty to get there, something I'm not willing to do.

Something tells me you've never driven a GT500 and can only post stats on paper
Put the Car and Driver down and go thoroughly drive one and you'll see the GT500 attributes aren't only "marketing".
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2023 BMW M4 Competition (daily)
2022 ZLE M6 (weekend toy)
2022 BMW X3m40i

Past:
2022 Tesla S Plaid
2020 Shelby GT500 sold
2019 Hellcat Redeye-traded for new GT500
2019 ZL1 A10 - sold (meh)
2019 Tesla M3P
2016 Hellcat Challenger - A8 sold but never forgotten
2016 Camaro 2SS M6
2014 Mustang GT A6
2012 Mustang GT M6 "brembo" 3.73/FBO
2012 Camaro SS L99 (Wife's)
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