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Originally Posted by pyroguy
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Originally Posted by Aragorn
Don’t forget human population.
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Well believe it or not, it's all tied together. It's the environmentalists that are forcing the changes in regulations that are making it more and more difficult for vehicle manufacturers to make their vehicles meet the standards the environmentalists are demanding.
Part of their alarmist agenda is the fact that we are having more and more vehicles, because of more and more population, which is causing more and more "warming" of the "environment". They make the mistake; either unknowingly or deliberately, that environmental pollution and climate are the same thing, but they're not.
If we pollute our environment, that may very well put an end to us, but the climate will continue; the four seasons will keep repeating with or without us. The earth has a long history of warming and cooling trends which have absolutely nothing to do with us. The data the alarmists are using to ring the alarm bell (which coincidentally always includes requests for vast sums of money) is faulty, which non-agenda scientists have been pointing out for years now. The alarmists don't want to hear that, so they start getting emotional, angry, "outraged" and have changed their dialog to include the words "settled science" as though just because they say that, that makes it true. Don't you dare question that or them, or you're a nazi who wants to kill babies, bambi and destroy the future. I'm sure you've noticed how emotional they get if you don't agree with them.
We haven't been studying the earth's temperature variances anywhere near long enough to declare what it's going to do one way or the other. The only thing we know is that there have been ice ages, thaws and warm periods, followed by ice ages in the past which had absolutely nothing to do with us. That means the earth has those kinds of cycles with or without us. They don't want to look at the real reason why, either because it hasn't occurred to them (which I personally believe is very likely) or the real reason doesn't give them any leverage to ask for money.
On a large scale, the solar system is very much like an electric motor, which is an area of study that climatologists most likely have never looked at or even thought of. The sun generates its magnetic field throughout the solar system, and each planet circling it is constantly moving through that magnetic field. As I stated earlier in this thread, when a conductor moves through a magnetic field, it generates electricity in the conductor which also generates heat. Heat, or the absence of heat dictates our climate. That dominate heat source is the earth's core, which is heated up by the electrical energy generated by the molten metallic core of the earth as it moves through the magnetic field of the sun.
According to Einstein, there is no such thing as cold. We cannot measure cold; we can only measure heat. Cold is the absence of heat. There is no such thing as dark; we cannot measure dark, we can only measure light which is radiant energy; aka heat. Dark is the absence of light.
We humans have absolutely no effect on that. It existed before we did, and it will exist after we are gone. If we were to wipe ourselves out, either through war, disease, or whatever... the climate would still be here; spring, summer, fall and winter.
It's a common mistake and misunderstanding to confuse environmental pollution with climate; either global warming or cooling. Environmental pollution affects living things; it does not affect the climate. Environmental pollution affects the surface; climate affects the entire planet, all over the surface and down into the ocean depths. The temperature and movements of deep ocean currents have a significant effect on the climate, and those are controlled by the temperature of the core, and resulting seismic/volcanic activity. An earthquake under the sea can change the course of a deep sea current, and that absolutely will have an effect on the climate. Most likely that's what caused the significant changes we can see have happened in the past. We have no effect on that. It's been doing its thing ever since the beginning, still is, and will continue with or without us on the surface.
It's in all our best interests if the misguided environmentalists do NOT start trying to tamper with the atmosphere and attempt to artificially change the surface climate. It will be like trying to "save the forests" by switching to plastic, only the consequences could be far far worse. If anything could wipe us out as a species, trying to change the climate by monkeying around with the atmosphere on a global scale would be it. Look at their track record of ringing the alarm bell... they've been saying we only have 5-10 years for us to give them all our money so they can save us...for the past 48 years. They've never been right; just wrong over and over, but they keep trying. They just can't give up the hope of hitting the funding lottery.
The internal combustion engine and vehicles that use them are being blamed for causing "climate change", when in fact they aren't doing any such thing. Volcanoes push more gases into our atmosphere than we do, and they've been doing that forever. The climate is still here. Environmental pollution is a valid concern and that involves polluting our land and water supplies, but that's not the same thing as climate.