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Originally Posted by TheShooter
This is the problem with people like you. Everything threatens you, so all you can do is lash out. So if you want to take a beating, here goes...
We drove two ZL1's and here are the negatives:
1) Rear seats are terrible and storage is poor. By comparison our Hellcat is a comfortable 4 door cruiser that can be driven anywhere.
2) Out on the highway it's faster than the ZL1.
3) On the track it's faster than the ZL1. That's why you have a sad thread called "where are the 10 second runs.
4) Not only can a well driven Cat take you on a drag strip, but it can run all the way to about 205 MPH.
6) As pleasing as the ZL1 power is, not only is the Hellcat faster, it FEELS more visceral when you push the car. It's an open road beast.
7) I've been to maybe 12 or 13 charity car shows in NY and in LA. Our Hellcat has collected 5 trophies for modern muscle. Not Camaro wins because they're hugely common and look alike. Everyone is shocked to see the comparatively rare Charger Hellcat.
8) Visibility is poor in the ZL1. I can live with it, but it's still poor.
Gee wiz, Gilligan, it sounds like I don't like the ZL1! Nope, I love it. It sucks in some ways and it's brilliant in others. It gives up my Hellcat's practicality and room to be a great handling well rounded sports car.
That's why I may keep it. Because the Zl1 can't replace it. Just like neither can replace an Evo X or a STI or Miata.
You are just a fanboy. Worst thing for a forum like this. I see some real car enthusiasts here, but you're not one of them. What kind of guy can't handle a thread talking about a totally different car with a LOT more muscle?
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I have to object.
1 - You can't compare a 2 door Camaro to a 4 door Charger when it comes to roominess. That really isn't a fair comparison at all. If someone needs seating then they'll buy the Charger. If seating is a non-issue then the person would buy a ZL1. I have no seating issues. I carry maybe 1 passenger in my car every once in a great while. So for me and plenty of people like myself, the ZL1 is a better choice. Oh and the Camaro IS comfortable BTW.
2 - It has been proven time and again even on the Hellcat forums that when matched with the same trans (A8 vs A10 or M6 vs M6) they both are very similar in performance. the HC might pull away at higher speeds, like over 120, but how often are you roll racing past 120?
3 - Stock to stock with stock tires you know full well that the ZL1 is faster. Not many people are getting into the 10s or even low 11s on the stock tires. At the track every HC there that is low 11s or faster are all on DRs. The ZL1 will do low 11s on stock tires. Now once mods are thrown in the mix, the HC will win mod for mod...I think. If the ZL1 can do low 11s stock then what do you think it can run with DRs? Either way there is enough evidence to say the HC might have the advantage but it isn't a complete wipe out.
4 - How often will a person be hitting 205? And lets face facts, one HC night have done it but there are enough variables to say that not every HC will do that with every driver. The ZL1 BTW has done a 198. I would say that is close enough that certain variables could make for a ZL1 that could go faster than a HC.
5 (you skipped 5 so this is in answer to 6) - Again, bot cars are pretty much equal when matched with the same trans. Any win on either car would be attributable to the driver or whichever person gets the jump first.
6 - Hellcats are not scarce at car shows. Any given show in my area sees a handful or more HCs. 5th Gen ZL1s have a good presence. And I haven't been to one in a few months, but at the last one there was only 1 6th Gen ZL1. They were still new so that is the reason. But you can hardly call a HC "rare" anywhere these days.
7 - Visibility is a non-issue (for me at least) with the indicators that are present on these cars. I can whip my car on the GSP in the middle of the night in full traffic and not miss a beat. You would be surprised.
The ZL1 is nothing short of fantastic. Just like the HC is. I said this before and I'll say it again, once you get your hands on one you'll see how amazing it is.