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Originally Posted by SuperSound

No you are making out like simply having more HP is the key. It is clearly not since even with almost twice the power advantage the ZL1 has over the R, a Hellcat can't beat it's lower trim around the same track with the same driver. The Scat Pack even does worse in handling metrics than the Hellcat. Explain that one?

As for Chevy needing it. No need to remind you the ZL1 is 300lbs heavier which matters more than power added when it comes to track performance. So the reality is despite being a much heavier car, the ZL1 can still match the R's performance while being fully loaded in every sense of the word. Now if we were talking about straight line performance, I agree no comparison b/c the R was never designed to do it (except someone thought it did need Drag Mode). But at the same time the ZL1 was not designed to just be fast around a track like the R.

And I never said the SS 1LE is faster. I specifically mentioned I'm sure it is not. And the BDC's at LS proved they aren't as close as the ZL1 is to it. But the SS 1LE is down 70HP and was less than 2 secs slower? Where's that 70hp advantage there?

Bringing the Hellcat into this track time conversation would be like comparing a Hellcat to a Z28 on the dragstrip, its nonsense. The Hellcat was never designed to be a track car. Dodge proved its track prowness with the Viper ACR.

Now back to the ZL1 vs GT350R, I wonder how the track time of the GT350R would have improved by giving it equal power to the ZL1? Do you think it would have improved by .39 seconds? How about if the GT350R had another 25-hp? Yes it is Ford's fault for not having a more powerful version of the Mustang at this time, but bottom line is the R lost because it lacked HP not because it was not up to the task in the handling/braking department.

What would happen if the two went at it for a 20-minutes session, would the ZL1 eventually start limiting power because of SC heat, would the ZL1s brakes finally give up? I'm pretty sure the R would be ok for that duration.