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Artos · 06-23-2017, 08:48 PM

Biggest bunch of drivel ever...he totally doesn't get it.

To even mention the issue of these hero runs / bragging right times & comment about 'only one line & passing issues'?? Fastest lap times don't matter if it's Willow, the Ring', or Laguna Seca. It's just as absurd as saying 0-60 or 1/4 mile times don't matter for a particular vehicle.

Seriously, this is the largest nonsense...I'm no fanboy to any particular brand, but you have to think there is something about GM sticking in this ding-dong's craw.

Look at the recent China electric car that broke the Ring' record...it's not really a production car with only 1/2 dozen made and $1.5mm. Who cares, it was stupid wicked fast. If the Ford 500 comes out & someone takes it to the Ring' & happens to beat a ZL1 time, then they deserve kudos for the time. I will likely still poke fun about the cost & ADM crap, but the time is the time. Doesn't matter which track.

To say 'any' hero run on a famous track doesn't have any merit simply makes the author lose any credibility they may have had.

This below from the article tells me there is some sort of bias against GM...no one should be able to dismiss what has been brought to the table. This is now an open hand game & the competition now has to figure out to make a faster version in the $65k - $75k range.

This is a big deal & many do not like like the crow being served.

In my opinion, the first assumption is almost exclusively the province of people without a racing license. The Ring is hugely challenging, it is highly memory-intensive, and it is remarkably dangerous. Yet the same is also true of BASE jumping with a blindfold on. As a race track, the Ring is mostly a follow-the-leader affair. There’s only one line through most of the fast sections. I don’t claim to have mastered the track but it’s plain to see that in cars of equal capability you’d have maybe ten opportunities to pass at most — this, in a track about five times as long as Mid-Ohio or Laguna Seca.

Very few experienced racers regard the Ring as anything other than an exercise in memory. If you can remember all of your entry and exit marks, you’ve accomplished ninety percent of the battle, because much of the track is simply a matter of knowing where you can keep the throttle pinned. From there, it’s a dyno test. Yes, there are fast turns. I was driving a relatively low-powered car at the Ring (you can always look at my Instagram if you want the details) and I was often doing 120 mph or more with some angle in the steering wheel. But in general, the Ring is a very pretty, very charming combination of memory test (for you) and dyno test (for the car).

06-23-2017, 08:48 PM	#9
Artos Drives: A10 LT4 Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Deep South TX Posts: 1,094	Biggest bunch of drivel ever...he totally doesn't get it. To even mention the issue of these hero runs / bragging right times & comment about 'only one line & passing issues'?? Fastest lap times don't matter if it's Willow, the Ring', or Laguna Seca. It's just as absurd as saying 0-60 or 1/4 mile times don't matter for a particular vehicle. Seriously, this is the largest nonsense...I'm no fanboy to any particular brand, but you have to think there is something about GM sticking in this ding-dong's craw. Look at the recent China electric car that broke the Ring' record...it's not really a production car with only 1/2 dozen made and $1.5mm. Who cares, it was stupid wicked fast. If the Ford 500 comes out & someone takes it to the Ring' & happens to beat a ZL1 time, then they deserve kudos for the time. I will likely still poke fun about the cost & ADM crap, but the time is the time. Doesn't matter which track. To say 'any' hero run on a famous track doesn't have any merit simply makes the author lose any credibility they may have had. This below from the article tells me there is some sort of bias against GM...no one should be able to dismiss what has been brought to the table. This is now an open hand game & the competition now has to figure out to make a faster version in the $65k - $75k range. This is a big deal & many do not like like the crow being served. In my opinion, the first assumption is almost exclusively the province of people without a racing license. The Ring is hugely challenging, it is highly memory-intensive, and it is remarkably dangerous. Yet the same is also true of BASE jumping with a blindfold on. As a race track, the Ring is mostly a follow-the-leader affair. There’s only one line through most of the fast sections. I don’t claim to have mastered the track but it’s plain to see that in cars of equal capability you’d have maybe ten opportunities to pass at most — this, in a track about five times as long as Mid-Ohio or Laguna Seca. Very few experienced racers regard the Ring as anything other than an exercise in memory. If you can remember all of your entry and exit marks, you’ve accomplished ninety percent of the battle, because much of the track is simply a matter of knowing where you can keep the throttle pinned. From there, it’s a dyno test. Yes, there are fast turns. I was driving a relatively low-powered car at the Ring (you can always look at my Instagram if you want the details) and I was often doing 120 mph or more with some angle in the steering wheel. But in general, the Ring is a very pretty, very charming combination of memory test (for you) and dyno test (for the car).