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Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

The 1/4 mile stands out to you because that's what you care about. There is nothing wrong with that, but obviously there is more to a car than a 1/4 mile. Everyone (except you) knows the GT350 is not setup to be a 1/4 mile terror. Ford decided on the gearing and non-optioned auto transmission for a reason....it's not a dragstrip queen. People don't buy it for it's 1/4 mile prowess...but they are willing to pay admin for it's driving feel and track prowess. It's telling that even with it's "ridiculously slow quarter mile" it's within spitting distance of the supercharged ZL1 around the track.

On a side note, since when is low 12's @ 118mph equated to ridiculously slow 1/4 mile times?

The quarter mile stood out BECAUSE IT IS A $65K+ CAR!! LOL!! I never said it was set up to be a quarter mile terror. But it should at least be somewhere near the cars that cost the same amount. I said it before to someone else, you Mustang guys rag on the Hellcat all the time for not being able to corner...and for it being a straight line car. Despite the fact that it is built with straight line performance in mind. But your GT350R is only good at cornering and therefore deserves the ridicule. At least the Hellcat beats other cars in it's arena. The GT350R lost on the track, lol!! And 12.2s been slow. The 5th Gen ZL1 and GT500 (before 2013) was ridiculed for only being low 12s and that was 5 years ago. You think performance sat still for 5 years? Get a clue.

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

It doesn't bother me, I'm just pointing out that you seem to have an affection for belittling a vehicle that is severely out-muscled and yet consistently wins direct comparisons and is VERY close around a road course. It's as if you are angrily trying to justify your purchase...almost as if there is some animosity towards GT350 owners. Strange really.

If you think 0.39 seconds is close then you are wrong. But keep telling yourself whatever makes you sleep better at night. Why would I try to justify my purchase when I passed up on the GT350 way before the ZL1 even came out? LOL!! From the minute the GT350 hit the streets I thought it was pathetic looking at the times it posted. I have no animosity at all. Hey, it's your money, throw it away if you like. Oh, and I could have bought a GT350R too. That is if I wanted to pay the dealership which I didn't. I have lots of friends who have cars like these. All the ones who bought the GT350 got rid of it for either a Z06 or a ZL1 or a Hellcat. Nobody envies GT350 guys except for GT owners, lol!!

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

LOL, the ZL1 is a heavily optioned base camaro. Pot meet kettle? At least that "Garbage" will be worth a damn in 5 years.

In 5 years it won't be worth crap because the SS will be destroying it by then. And sure, you can call the ZL1 an optioned out SS. It comes standard with all the options that are available in the SS and you can option in stuff that the SS doesn't have. Your Shelby is stripped. You gotta option in AC and a radio. They took a GT, added a suspension to it, threw in an expensive overpriced engine with vibrational issues, threw on some super expensive wheels, just for it to get it's ass handed to it by the ZL1. Hey you guys better hope it is worth something in 5 years because otherwise you threw away more money than you know. And that is even if people want it by then. Which is why I doubt Ford will put something better out. Because if they do, then everyone will want the new thing.

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

You see, that's the difference between you and me. You are still on the "wanna go fast" kick where I long ago gave up trying to be faster than everyone else and decided to go with what I more enjoyed driving. Daily driving 10 second cars isn't all what it's cracked up to be. There is a reason people still love the shit out of Miatas.



There is a difference between spirited driving and street racing.

I am 40 years old and I will never outgrow the "wanna go fast" kick. I don't wanna be faster than everyone else. But I damn sure don't want a car that costs as much as the Shelby and loses at everything performance-related.

Spirited driving can still be considered illegal and you can be cited for it. Some municipalities call it "excessive display of horsepower", "wreckless driving", etc. So while it isn't street racing, it is still illegal and you can be pulled over, cited, or worse. Out here in NJ it is mandatory impounding of your vehicle, mandatory arrest, I believe mandatory loss of license, etc if your driving in a "spirited" manner and a cops deems it "racing". So again, don't try to be mister spic and span boy scout. Nobody buys these cars and then decide to not put them to use.

And I wouldn't be caught dead in a Miata. I know their potential and what they can be made to do. But still, not for me no way no how.

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

Some are getting them at MSRP....but most I'd venture to say have connections. With that said, even with admin they are selling the shit out of them. Hell, many reviews say even with Admin it's a steal for what you get.


It's only stupid for those who can't afford it....it's that simple. To say it's "stupid" is to call every single person that decides to purchase a new vehicle stupid. Again, just because you can't afford the price does not make it stupid...and yes, you cannot afford the admin...or you wouldn't be complaining.

I never complained about the markups. Not once. I simply chose not to pay it. And I think it is pretty stupid to pay it. And not that it's any of your business, but I had $10K in money as a down payment, $14K of equity in one car, about $2K in equity in a SUV I got at a crazy good deal a few months ago, and a really high credit score. Trust me when I tell you, I had my pick of the litter. I had my eyes on a brand new Z06 3LZ. And if it wasn't for the fact that it was too darn uncomfortable and the ZL1 was much more practical, I would have had that instead. I am not ever gonna pay fully loaded top model brand new Vette money for a Mustang. Not even close. Oh and BTW, I got my ZL1 financed with that dealership's top tier bank with no money down. If I wanted a GT350R, I would be in one right now. You would be surprised if you knew what I could have bought.