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Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy
As for the ZL1 beating the "snot" out of the GT350R....I'd hardly call 4 10th's of a second beating the "snot". It was closer than most people thought....so much so that many in here were trying to make up excuses why (which is what brought me in here in the first place).
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4 tenths is an ass kicking bro. That is a lot of time to make up.
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Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy
I agree, the GT500 is totally MIA and may never come out. As of right now, so is the Z28 though. If the GT500 comes out, you can bet your ass it won't be the track debacle that the last one was. Whose to say they don't also release a GT500R? There is also speculation of a MACH I. Ford release far more specialty cars for the mustang than GM for the Camaro...but they always have.
With that said, all of these cars don't always have to lineup. It is just natural however to pit Fords forced induction against Chevy's and NA against NA. Until ford comes out with the GT500 and Chevy the Z28...what we have is what we have.
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All Ford does is they take a GT, throw a few badges and some other BS on it, do something to free up an extra 5-15 hp, and then call it a "Bullitt". Or they take an older Cobra engine and tweak it a little and call it a "Mach 1" like they did in 03. Or they just throw badges on it and do nothing else like they did with the S197 Mach1 and Bullitt. And their fans clap and say "hooray I paid an extra $10,000 for a re-badged GT thanks Ford". They had the Boss 302 and that was it. Everything else was a gimmick. And at this point Chevy doesn't even need the Z28 considering how well the ZL1 did and that the even better ZL1 1LE is coming out. All the special names in the world ain't gonna help the Mustang at this point.
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Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy
How are you not getting it. The GT500 and the ZL1 are direct competitors. Last go around, the ZL1 kicked the GT500's tail. There is not GT500 yet, so the best we can do is pit the supercharged ZL1 against the GT350R. They are both designed for the track, but that doesn't mean they are natural competition. The fact that the GT350R is able to keep up with the ZL1 speaks volumes on how special that GT350R is.
I'm actually not taking the loss personally, you are (the GT350R did win the head to head after-all). You are spouting out how "unspecial" the GT350R is and that it has the "worst flat plane crank". It's as if you have to start making up reasons to justify your disdain for the GT350R in an attempt to make the Camaro look better.
Why don't you go back and re-read all of my posts. With the except of visibility issues, try to find all of the negative things I say against the ZL1 and get back with me. What you will find will reveal exactly who's taking this loss in stride, and who is taking it poorly.
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What loss am I taking? The only thing that mattered to me is who beat who on the track. I often disagree with just about the majority of what MT says subjectively anyway. Hey they can make the Mustang the car of the year for the next few decades. I won't care. Show me the results. And there is nothing special about that dang engine that you keep praising. Nothing at all. It is wiped out and completely underpowered and completely underwhelming by today's standards. It is 2017 and the fastest Mustang costs over $60K and runs a 12.2 in the quarter and makes 526hp and 429 tq and you're sitting here calling THAT "special". In 2017? Bro you are out of your mind. 5 years ago that might have been pretty cool. But now that is really weak from a performance car. So exactly what is soo good about the GT350R when it is losing to it's competition in everything?