[LesBaer]

Originally Posted by 7stringtheory

Its not really relevant whether it was the same driver / same day in this case because you are essentially spending 25k more to get a car that doesn't really show a clear edge whether that means spending 25k more on a new one or buying a used one instead of a new 1LE. I feel like this is a spot where proving its likely a toss up between the two makes the 1LE a clear winner from a performance value standpoint.

You're quoting track times from this site. So yes it is relevant - you brought it up. The driver absolutely plays a role in track times and so does the temperature. The 1LE weighs 300+lbs more than a Z51, which also has better aerodynamics. I just don't believe what you posted is accurate. Now if you showed us Randy from Motortrend doing laps back to back in the cars like in a head to head, that would be another story.

Where are you getting $25k more from? His topic's title says "1LE vs. USED 2016 Z51". If you're going to start talking about "value", you can't ignore depreciation in your comparison. Everyone can do whatever they want, but a brand new Camaro 1LE is probably going to lose close to $10k (give or take) of it's value in Year 1 of depreciation alone. A 1 year old Z51, if he can score a good price on a good car (maybe CPO), that's $ he's never going to lose when the time comes to sell. For comparable cars - even if I'm off by $1k in my estimate - that's not chump change. Assuming it's a good car, going used over new is always the better value if the $ is right. I haven't looked up the value of used Z51's lately but I'd bet they're close now, which is why he titled the comparison to a used Z51. Saying the 1LE is the clear performance value winner only makes sense comparing new to new.