[oldman]

Originally Posted by AndyUK

First off, i never said they make "no" power, i just said 15hp isnt worth the best part of $2k (plus fitting, plus tuning) when you can get the same power from stuff like porting or E85 for a fraction of the price.

Second, you didnt say 15, or just 25, you said 25-40hp, it was the 40hp i queried and had problems with.

Yes, I agree, if you are chasing ultimate numbers then eventually you are going to need headers, but to start talking about headers in a best bang for buck thread seems disingenuous. They wouldnt be anywhere near the top of the list in terms of low hanging fruit.

I think you need to go back and check, because your first response was to WhyUMad1LE, not me.

My car will see some track days, but not strip, hence my comment about being less concerned about breaking shafts as accel from a roll is less damaging than burnouts and hitting it from a dig. So again it just looks like a nice big strawman for you to have an argument with.

Actually headers and off-road pipes for sub $1000 clearly fits in best bang for the dollar. 15 HP and a broad increase in torque and a foundation for many other mods. Inability to fit them personal is superfluous.