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Old 10-25-2016, 09:17 AM   #6
BMR Suspension
 
Drives: 2016 Camaro 2SS
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 498
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Originally Posted by TECHTURTLE View Post
Rates?
The rate is the same as the old springs' working rate - 640 lb/in

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Originally Posted by BradfordCamaro View Post
Same 1" drop?
yes, the drop is identical.

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Originally Posted by Jmcalhoun22 View Post
And for the people that have already bought your lowering springs a month ago? Is there something wrong with them? Do we need to exchange them? I do get a floaty feeling over hills and bumps, that I did not have before.
There is nothing wrong with out old springs, the dual rate design can make a little extra noise in some circumstances and we figured out a design change that allowed us to go 100% linear.

Do you have MRC or non MRC? We (and other spring manufacturers) have had a couple of instances where there has been a "floaty" feeling in the rear. We are working on a solution.

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Originally Posted by EXSSIVE View Post
There is nothing wrong with progressive springs. Rather, the issue is that a progressive spring puts comfort and load handling capabilities before handling. This is the exact reason you're getting more of a floaty feeling, you're unloading the suspension and the springs are at their softest portion of the available travel.

Progressive springs can provide some unwanted handling characteristics when you start to push the car harder. It's for this reason I would strongly recommend against using a progressive rate for an on road performance car unless you have the dampers to back it up which takes very specific tuning.

It honestly puzzles me why BMR went with a progressive spring in the first place for an on road performance oriented vehicle unless they were wanting to mainly cater to the drag racing crowd which needs more body motion to plant the tires during hard acceleration.
Our 2016 Camaro springs were never progressive. The old springs were a dual rate spring - 360/640. This design uses two spring rates for a specific reason. When you design a lowering spring, you have to look at load rating, spring rate, drop amount, and a few other parameters that define the spring characteristics. One of those things is free height. This is important because when the suspension unloads, the spring can unseat if there isn't enough free height. With linear springs, it can be difficult to achieve the desired drop with the correct load rating, while maintaining enough free height to keep the spring seated with the wheels hanging. So a dual rate springs is an easy way to add free height, while keeping the working rate of the spring linear. The soft rate is low enough to completely compress at ride height, so the car only uses the heavier linear rate. They can be a bit noisy because the soft coils are in coil bind. This is why you see other companies use isolaters around every other coil. to reduce noise from coil-to-coil contact. We figured out a new design to eliminate the soft rate, keep the load rate the same, and have enough free height to keep the spring seated.

As for Jmcalhoun22's floaty feeling, it has nothing to do with our spring design. I assume he has an MRC car since the only time we have ever seen or heard of that kind of issue is with MRC. It is an issue we are working on a solution for, and it will most likely be sensor related.

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