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Originally Posted by Intimidator
Right Now...as a GM loyalist, I am extremely disappointed with the ZL1 numbers...hopefully GM is holding something back....but I doubt it!
I am a 6th gen Camaro 2SS owner...I have not found the cars handling limit yet, mainly because of the seats! I do not have a course close, but plenty of winding County roads and on/off ramps.
BUT I DO have plenty of 1/4 mile race tracks.
If I can't find the handling limit on a 2SS on the street, then why would I want more handling?
I just got brutalized by a local Hell Kitty...so do I win a battle because my 2SS handles just a tad better, even though the seats stop me from getting it there?
I don't want a damn Z28, I want a Weekend Street Warrior from GM.
The REAL WORLD for most of us, is cruising around town, playing on ramps, rural curves, and light to light...or the local track.
Why would I spend money on a new ZL1, if it will get it's ass handed to it in REAL WORLD driving against the Kitty.
Hell, if they update the Kitty, and the GT500 comes to fruition, GM is third again, in the Numbers that matter to me!
This ZL1 has better handling argument is getting as stale as arguing if Pro Mods are Street Cars...I consider a Street Car anything you can title! I could care less if the ZL1 can keep up with the Z28 on the circle I want track...the ZL1 USED TO BE the "Boulevard Brawler"!
I want a damn 800hp Factory Beast! Cause you know that's what Ford and the Kitty Maker are gonna do!
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I'll leave the handling comments to what others have already said but I understand your point. But what the hell were you expecting racing a Hellcat? It has 700+hp and you don't even have 500hp.
Anyways, you are disappointed in the numbers for the ZL1. Let's put things in perspective.
From C&D '15 HC A8:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...at-test-review
Standing ¼-mile: 11.7 sec @ 126 mph
From MT: Another A8
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/dodge...at-first-test/
Standing ¼-mile: 11.7 sec @ 125.4 mph
Now according to GM press numbers (which have been conservative the last few cars they have released):
Quarter-mile in 11.4 seconds at 127 mph
Let that sink in for a min. Not so much the times as the MPH. Then let it sink in that the HC is undertired and has horrible issues launching with anything short of DRs/slicks. So no the new ZL1 will not get it's ass handed to it in real world driving. Most likely ZL1s will neck and neck and it will come down to who is the better driver. And stock to stock, expect the ZL1 to leave the Kitty on the line spinning.
If you wanted to blow the HC out of the water on the track, accept the reality. It takes a hell of a lot power, weight loss, and/or pure drag tires to go that much faster. We are very much at the limits of what a RWD car can do and still meet federal safety and emissions requirements. Dodge knows this all to well. They had to detune the HC to meet emissions. And I got news for you, they aren't find anymore power without a DI swap which they have no money or development in so far. There are rumors the HEMIs are gone after 2020. FCA has abandoned small cars and CAFE penalties just increased 150%. FCA has no trans development of their own and are stuck with the 8 and 9 speed units ZF developed. ZF has admitted they want no part of 10 speeds or higher and will just change ratios to meet CAFE targets. So say goodbye to another advantage FCA has used with more aggressive gearing. To meet CAFE targets, FCA has to radically change their approach. All this means you will not see the HC beyond the current gen platforms in the sense it is now. Smaller, lighter cars with turbo 4 and turbo 6s may be all they will offer in the new gen. Maybe a smaller more efficient turbo V8 could become the new HC then, but the future of Dodge is bleak at this point.
Ford is the real threat if they are working on a TT V8, but we have yet to see what's coming for the ZR1 too. Also Ford still hasn't said anything about a GT500 at this point. Which is strange considering the 6th gen was released in '15 and here the Camaro just came out last year and already has ZL1 revealed.